teacher assaulted by student, and caught on video

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Get a grip. Did I ever say I knew? I said "more than likely."

Given the fact that the students in the classroom found an assault on a teacher to be okay means that they have no respect for others or their own education. So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.

Times like this I have to remind myself as to who and what I am addressing when you and I have these types of convos ...I think back to the Jena 6 thread and then I remember....so before this devolves any further and I have to check you and your ilk for your 'assumptions', I am stepping away from addressing you further.


it would be very wise that you do the same...with the amount of school teachers that are on this board...you are about to step on some toes...

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Kevin, I went to Baltimore public schools...my parents were not on welfare.

I also taught in that SAME school system and the MAJORITY of kids I taught had parents who WORKED.

I have a neice who goes to public school also in Baltimore...A student...mom is not on welfare nor does she have multiple babies or whatever your 'ass - u' mption tends to be about this child and her situation...because geuess what...

YOU...DON'T...KNOW
-what that child's situation is
-what her parents do

Did you, or your friends, ever beat up a teacher? Because I kind of think you inadvertently supported his point.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Hardly would have been news?

Hmmm I guess you musta snoozed through the shooting in Ohio back in October of 07

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/cle...ing/index.html

May not have been as massive as Columbine but not newsworthy? Heh.

So what you're saying is that it made the news, but in nowhere near the same fashion . . . I'd never heard of this before this link, and it wasn't plastered everywhere. Again, I think you kind of inadvertently proved his point.

I'm just saying - this issue isn't as slanted as you're portraying it, I don't think.

[TrojanWoman]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I assume as much because my assumption is more likely accurate than not. If the kid's parents were hard working, good folks, the kid would have respect for the teacher and would probably not be going to that school.

I come from an upper middle class family. I know that my parents were hard working, good folks. Didn't stop my jerk of an older brother from not respecting his continuous school teacher and spitting in his face during a verbal fight. I also know that I made it through school on the honor roll and had a lot of respect for my teachers. Not sure my parents' style of parenting us had anything to do with our actions towards our teachers as much as personal choices did.

[Kevin]

I'll bet that the Baltimore Sun didn't write an article full of excuses for the kid after that happened. What will be most telling will be the action of the parent here. So far, nothing but silence on that front.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/edu...,2400928.story

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Did you, or your friends, ever beat up a teacher? Because I kind of think you inadvertently supported his point.




So what you're saying is that it made the news, but in nowhere near the same fashion . . . I'd never heard of this before this link, and it wasn't plastered everywhere. Again, I think you kind of inadvertently proved his point.

I'm just saying - this issue isn't as slanted as you're portraying it, I don't think.

Maybe you missed but he said: Had Columbine happened at an inner-city school in Baltimore, it'd hardly be news.


Like a school shooting in an inner city school on that level would not have been paid any notice.... WTF man?

so...13 dead....25 to 25 more wounded in inner city schools must happen often enough that no one would notice....


Mmmkay....

My POINT as it were, was, not to ASSUME that the child has crappy parents and is on welfare and that contributed to her beating the teacher up.

None of us has any idea what kind of home life that she has nor can you accurately pinpoint what it was that lead her to that...so stop reaching until it becomes known!

Like someone said before, that child may be one way at home and totally different in school...not to mention different depending on what teacher they are around.

- You can't garnish welfare checks.
-So yes, I'm going to assume the parents are pieces of crap as well as their children.

When you say things like this, you have already stereotyped and judged someone before you have any hard evidence of what you are dealing with based on one isolated act (and not so subtly 'other' environmental factors...). Kevin, 'practicing' law (WTF they call it practicing anyways???...heh!) should know better.


That is why the school board is.....taaaddaaaa...IN - VEST - I - GA - TING

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'll bet that the Baltimore Sun didn't write an article full of excuses for the kid after that happened. What will be most telling will be the action of the parent here. So far, nothing but silence on that front.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/edu...,2400928.story

Silence as far as the media sees it...but I am willing to bet that the parents are far from....heh.


SO Kevin...for what it's worth....why do you assume that the child's parents are on welfare?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

SO Kevin...for what it's worth....why do you assume that the child's parents are on welfare?

The school has been declared to be (or should be) one where there is a high risk of violence. Those types of schools usually cater to a certain clientelle.

The chances run in my favor.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The school has been declared to be (or should be) one where there is a high risk of violence. Those types of schools usually cater to a certain clientelle.

The chances run in my favor.

What kind of clientele, Kevin?

Are you saying that based on the school she goes to automatically says that she is on welfare?

Maybe the fact that there have been 112 acts of violence on teachers has increased in Baltimore (and I believe that is regardless of school) doens't make it a bit of difference or perhaps the fact that school system has (in the 20+ years since I graduated) has become very lax in disciplining unruly kids doesn't make a difference either...so please...how do we ASSUME that this child is in a family on welfare?


I wonder....the 3rd graders that plotted to kill thier teacher a few weeks back....I guess they were really dirt poor....hmmm...maybe the girls on the youtube video from the thread accompanying this one....they must be on welfare and living either in the ghetto or a trailer park huh?

Based on all this bad behavior coming from these school kids...they must be some seriously poor kids......right counselor?

[Kevin]

Low-income, hence the welfare.

I did the research -- according to greatschools.com, the student body is 44% eligible for free or reduced lunch prices.

Here are the two reviews posted regarding the school:

As a fomer Alummni of this school I would not recommend this school for any student. Im a former 2 Year SGA veteran of this school and I could not get any support or help from admin.
Submitted by a student
Write your own review
Posted December 18, 2007
no stars: administration has a long way to go. Law programs is very under developed. Is not a safe school. signed New parent of a 9th grader
Submitted by a parent
Write your own review

They have a whopping 7% of their kids passing the state biology exam, 13% for algebra.

[Munchkin03]

We're all a little flipping naive here if we refuse to believe that any middle-class or even working-class parent with an ounce of sense would not fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep their kid out of a school that was marked by the state to be a hotbed of urban violence. Let's not be so PC-kumbaya.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Low-income, hence the welfare.

and you know for sure, that this was the case with this girl?

You still haven't answered my question...how can you ASSUME that this girl's family is on welfare?


And no, I am not comfortable with your answer "that the school that she goes to caters to this 'clientele' "cardboard answer that you gave.

Fact is, you don't know anything about Baltimore public schools beyond what you read...

Fact is, you don't know anything about the girl and the teacher based on what you saw on the video....



I mean you made the stereotypical statement that you can't garnish a welfare check right?


Now....pay attention, the other little school incidents that we have posted on, you barely made comments on ,short of your quote from Cicero ( very profound I must say) but yet here...it's judgemental?

I am so very curious as to what you think about the income levels and environments of the other school aged kids that we all have talked about these past few weeks and if your observations about that match what your assumption is here.


makes me wonder.....what if......?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

We're all a little flipping naive here if we refuse to believe that any middle-class or even working-class parent with an ounce of sense would not fight TOOTH AND NAIL to keep their kid out of a school that was marked by the state to be a hotbed of urban violence. Let's not be so PC-kumbaya.

It's just a point of at the high rate in which school violence occurs nowadays....you can also do away with those labels.


Now, let me give you some contrast.....

In Montgomery county, supposedly THE RICHEST county in Maryland...

We have kids selling guns in the bathroom, when one goes off...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040902736.html

Forget the fact that the gun goes off...

In a county where the avg income is $85,000 dollars...why are these kids selling guns at school and someone just getting wind of this?


Why is school violence on the rise (since 1999) also in this same county?

I don't think it's because the parents here are on welfare....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and you know for sure, that this was the case with this girl?

You still haven't answered my question...how can you ASSUME that this girl's family is on welfare?

And no, I am not comfortable with your answer "that the school that she goes to caters to this 'clientele' "cardboard answer that you gave.

Fact is, you don't know anything about Baltimore public schools beyond what you read...

Fact is, you don't know anything about the girl and the teacher based on what you saw on the video....

I mean you made the stereotypical statement that you can't garnish a welfare check right?

Now....pay attention, the other little school incidents that we have posted on, you barely made comments on ,short of your quote from Cicero ( very profound I must say) but yet here...it's judgemental?

I am so very curious as to what you think about the income levels and environments of the other school aged kids that we all have talked about these past few weeks and if your observations about that match what your assumption is here.

makes me wonder.....what if......?

There's a 44% chance the kid qualifies for reduced school lunch. She's in a school which is a hotbed of violence. Her parents haven't made an effort to put her in any of Baltimore's alternative schools. My assumption is based on probabilities. I've never implied otherwise.

I'm sure many of the other kids in recent months have come from similar backgrounds. Perhaps not.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I don't think it's because the parents here are on welfare....

You don't think that being raised not to understand the correlation between hard work and success and that the government owes you a living doesn't have an effect on anything?

Dream on.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

There's a 44% chance the kid qualifies for reduced school lunch. She's in a school which is a hotbed of violence. Her parents haven't made an effort to put her in any of Baltimore's alternative schools. My assumption is based on probabilities. I've never implied otherwise.

I'm sure many of the other kids in recent months have come from similar backgrounds. Perhaps not.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture.

Income in some cases, doesn't always have anything to do with school violence.

My knowledge about the Baltimore school systems is based upon what I read -- this particular school's test scores don't paint a pretty picture


I never taught in an inner city school, and I work in law, therefore I am not qualified to talk about education economics / politics.