"Shame on you, Barack Obama"

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

That didn't take me to anywhere that backs up what you're saying. Unless you're just referencing the Clinton quits thing.

Yes.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah I pretty muched missed the Jimmy Carter era and since recent history is the least taught (how much do you know about the Revolutionary War? The Civil War? WWII? Now, what about the 70s ((if you weren't alive for them)) ) I'll admit to not having a lot of perspective.

McCain, well I just don't trust him. He's a panderer and, imo, a liar. And I don't give a damn who he slept with or whether he did but lobbyists should not be making phone calls from a campaign bus. He's in bed with them, if you'll pardon the pun.

Obama may be squeaky clean in this area, but I don't think most candidates are. I don't know how long he'll stay clean if elected.

McCain is at least my third choice, but I don't think I'm going to be able to vote for Obama. I don't care about him being unproven domestically very much, but his inexperience in terms of foreign policy and national security has me thinking I'm going McCain.

And I strongly prefer Obama to Clinton.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I don't care about him being unproven domestically very much, but his inexperience in terms of foreign policy and national security has me thinking I'm going McCain.

While most of what McCain has on his website regarding his ideas surrounding foreign policy is tame, some of his comments in person have been a bit disconcerting. I'm in favor of more diplomatic measures and I'm rather tired of America's hubris and isolationism when it comes to other world governments. For example, we currently have a very pro-American French ally and we are not fostering that relationship in any useful way.

[texas*princess]

[preciousjeni]

[DSTCHAOS]

The UFO one made more sense than the pee one.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The UFO one made more sense than the pee one.

What were they posted in response to though?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

What were they posted in response to though?

Random, I guess.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Random, I guess.

A random post on GC? Please say it isn't so.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

A random post on GC? Please say it isn't so.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

While most of what McCain has on his website regarding his ideas surrounding foreign policy is tame, some of his comments in person have been a bit disconcerting. I'm in favor of more diplomatic measures and I'm rather tired of America's hubris and isolationism when it comes to other world governments. For example, we currently have a very pro-American French ally and we are not fostering that relationship in any useful way.

This. Oh so very much this. Could we stop saber rattling at Iran and make some friends again? If Obama wasn't in this race I'd say vote for any woman just so we could stop playing "Mine's bigger!" with every dictator around. Obama doesn't seem to play like that and though he's inexperienced officially he's done quite a lot in Kenya and other places where he has friends and family.

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Yeah the pee one was just random and the UFO one plays into the whole idea that Clinton is pushing that Obama supporters are naive, delusional, expect the heavens to part etc.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah the pee one was just random and the UFO one plays into the whole idea that Clinton is pushing that Obama supporters are naive, delusional, expect the heavens to part etc.

I feel that way about many Obama supporters. I didn't know Clinton was making that part of her platform () until I saw her rally the other day where she was making fun of Obama.

While I agree with what she said and smirked a little, it's a bad political tactic that makes her look desperate. A commentator said that's not "politics" and while it got a great crowd response at a rally, it will do more harm than good for her campaign.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

This. Oh so very much this. Could we stop saber rattling at Iran and make some friends again? If Obama wasn't in this race I'd say vote for any woman just so we could stop playing "Mine's bigger!" with every dictator around. Obama doesn't seem to play like that and though he's inexperienced officially he's done quite a lot in Kenya and other places where he has friends and family.

Ah, it's certainly good to hear that Obama's connections in Nairobi are sound. I've long considered the (overwhelmingly internal) corruption in Kenya on par with the psychotic anti-American, terrorist-sponsoring, human-rights-violating tack preferred (and proffered) by Tehran.

Look, feel free to be pacifistic all you want - that's what America is all about. But this is essentially the "you need dicks in this world" monologue from Team America in action - I would be appalled if Obama took a soft stance (ineffective sanctions would be a grand example) on Iran going forward.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I feel that way about many Obama supporters. I didn't know Clinton was making that part of her platform () until I saw her rally the other day where she was making fun of Obama.

While I agree with what she said and smirked a little, it's a bad political tactic that makes her look desperate. A commentator said that's not "politics" and while it got a great crowd response at a rally, it will do more harm than good for her campaign.

There are always political "fanboys" just like there are for anything else. Obama attracts more people so perhaps he has more of them, but they do not seem to be in the majority by any means. Are newspapers and politicians who endorse him also delusional? Why must "hope" be framed as "naivete?"

Clinton just makes herself look desperate and has helped the media shift the focus from her vs. Obama to "Which side of Hillary Clinton will we see at the debate?"

ETA: According to MSNBC this morning Obama is up nationally 54% to 38% and has pulled ahead in Texas.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Ah, it's certainly good to hear that Obama's connections in Nairobi are sound. I've long considered the (overwhelmingly internal) corruption in Kenya on par with the psychotic anti-American, terrorist-sponsoring, human-rights-violating tack preferred (and proffered) by Tehran.

Look, feel free to be pacifistic all you want - that's what America is all about. But this is essentially the "you need dicks in this world" monologue from Team America in action - I would be appalled if Obama took a soft stance (ineffective sanctions would be a grand example) on Iran going forward.

My only point was that he has more foreign relations experience than people give him credit for. He's said he'll be tough in Afghanistan and has emphasized that his number one priority is to keep the American people safe, it's just a change in tactics. It's not a pacifist POV, btw. I'm more of a Just War person and I would serve in this nation's military if necessary. Blowing off someone who wants to increase our positive foreign relations - with countries who are our allies no less - as pacifism is ignoring the fact that Americans are thought poorly of in much of the world. American patriotism is associated with jingoism and preemptive strikes, not loving our country.

There's a difference between ineffective sanctions and going "We're going to have to go to war with Iran" every five minutes. We almost went to war because we listened to a joke broadcast when two ships were standing off. Seriously, put the dicks, and Team America, away.