Answer to the Iota Theta Eta Question....

[RozRochelle]

What I wrote was my observation and I stand by it. It doesn't mean that people on GC (besides me) have not confessed the Lord on here. It just means that when I've been on the boards before today, I hadn't seen it for myself.

Why would anyone have a problem with what that? I didn't make a blanket statement saying nobody ever confessed the Lord on GC. If I'd done that, you'd be right to call BS on the post, but I didn't.

If you have a response, please PM me. Ditto for anybody else. This is somebody else's thread and the topic's going off track. Thanks.

Originally Posted by summer_gphib

I'm a Christian. I'm the President of a local ministry, and have worked as Children's Ministry Coordinator and PR Coordinator for my church. I'm not afraid to say it. Nor am I afraid to say that I'm a PROUD member of Gamma Phi Beta and Gamma Sigma Sigma.

So I'm calling BS on this post.

[summer_gphib]

Whatever. I didn't realize that threads actually belonged to people. My bad.

[smiley21]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

Besides myself, I have not seen even one fairly active GC member openly confess the Lord. If there are other believers here, they are afraid to take a righteous stand.

This defines a "blanket statement". Maybe you could have gotten away with the first sentence; however, the second sentence suggests that no one here is as strong as you are in their faith.

ETA: Quite frankly, I think it is a very pompus statement. Don't say it if you do not have the evidence to back it up.

[LPIDelta]

Since this is Greekchat, and not a bible-based discussion board, I never thought about professing my spiritual beliefs here... and since I believe that my walk with the Lord is spiritual and personal, I won't be doing it now.

I am glad to see organizations which bring women together in faith or service or social--but I always wonder why they all choose to be sororities and take on Greek letters instead of just forming a "club", especially if they aren't on college campuses.

[summer_gphib]

In my own personal beliefs, it's better to live a quiet Christian life and lead by example, than to go around saying "I'm a CHRISTIAN hear me roar."

That doesn't mean that I haven't confessed Christ, I have. It just means I don't go around preaching on message boards.

But do whatever works for you. Looks like you are making a WONDERFUL impression of Christians and the Christian walk on all the GCers who don't know Christ.

I *heart* GC Snark!

[RozRochelle]

To each his own.

Originally Posted by summer_gphib

In my own personal beliefs, it's better to live a quiet Christian life and lead by example, than to go around saying "I'm a CHRISTIAN hear me roar."

That doesn't mean that I haven't confessed Christ, I have. It just means I don't go around preaching on message boards.

But do whatever works for you. Looks like you are making a WONDERFUL impression of Christians and the Christian walk on all the GCers who don't know Christ.

I *heart* GC Snark!

[summer_gphib]

You know you should really read the sermon on the mount. Humility. It's a good thing.

[modorney]

I'd cut these ladies a lot of slack. They are on a mission, and are straight up with what they want out of life. As far as the symbolism of the greek letters and what they may look like, that's their call, we all stretch our symbolism a bit.

As far as naming chapters, whether you use greek letters, or non-greek words (like California Alpha) or some other alphabet like Hebrew or Katakana, what's the big deal? Or, like one house that uses the greek alphabet, but not in the normal alphabetic sequence?

Most of us are in GLO's with a prior history of restricting members to one religion. Over time, that evolved into most of our houses that allow any religion today. Some "encourage" one religion, but admit anyone who is comfortable with, but not a member of, that religion.

(Protestant) Christianity has evolved into a few large megachurches of more than a thousand, each. The neighborhood church of a few hundred parishoners that all knew each other, with a staff of half a dozen, is fading from the scene. The megachurches feature a well-produced service, with a distinct worship team of musicians, that is distinct from the large audience.

The "business model" of these churches does not lend itself to fellowship, the worship service is the biggest priority. As a result, Christian fraternities and sororities fill this vacuum. Just like they did a century ago, when Billy Sunday preached in large tents and tabernacles. That happened to be one of the greatest growth periods for GLO's.

Just because nobody here talks about Religion doesn't mean they don't practice it - this is a greek forum, not a religion forum. That doesn't mean you can't bring it up, it's a forum, so anything that's not offensive is OK. If you aren't into that religion, just ignore the posts.

GLO's are organizations, and we can learn from other organizations - whether they be corporations, non-profits, churches, or even other styles of GLO. Greek life faces a lot of challenges, we need to work together, what's good for one greek is good for all.

[Sock Puppet2]

FHITY?

[CUPrez]

Originally Posted by modorney

I'd cut these ladies a lot of slack. They are on a mission, and are straight up with what they want out of life. As far as the symbolism of the greek letters and what they may look like, that's their call, we all stretch our symbolism a bit.

As far as naming chapters, whether you use greek letters, or non-greek words (like California Alpha) or some other alphabet like Hebrew or Katakana, what's the big deal? Or, like one house that uses the greek alphabet, but not in the normal alphabetic sequence?

Most of us are in GLO's with a prior history of restricting members to one religion. Over time, that evolved into most of our houses that allow any religion today. Some "encourage" one religion, but admit anyone who is comfortable with, but not a member of, that religion.

(Protestant) Christianity has evolved into a few large megachurches of more than a thousand, each. The neighborhood church of a few hundred parishoners that all knew each other, with a staff of half a dozen, is fading from the scene. The megachurches feature a well-produced service, with a distinct worship team of musicians, that is distinct from the large audience.

The "business model" of these churches does not lend itself to fellowship, the worship service is the biggest priority. As a result, Christian fraternities and sororities fill this vacuum. Just like they did a century ago, when Billy Sunday preached in large tents and tabernacles. That happened to be one of the greatest growth periods for GLO's.

Just because nobody here talks about Religion doesn't mean they don't practice it - this is a greek forum, not a religion forum. That doesn't mean you can't bring it up, it's a forum, so anything that's not offensive is OK. If you aren't into that religion, just ignore the posts.

GLO's are organizations, and we can learn from other organizations - whether they be corporations, non-profits, churches, or even other styles of GLO. Greek life faces a lot of challenges, we need to work together, what's good for one greek is good for all.

What a clear perspective! This is the best response that I have seen yet on this topic that has clearly and unfortunately gotten out of hand. To each his or her own... People have to make decisions for themselves. I understand all of this started as a "joke" but it unfortunately made someone else feel small.

Often when someone is made to feel small, they will retort making themselves "big". I don't think anyone's intent was to hurt, nor do I think anyone's intent was to come off condescending. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND LOVE EACH OTHER! Can you tell I'm a Californian?

[CUPrez]

Originally Posted by CUPrez

What a clear perspective! This is the best response that I have seen yet on this topic that has clearly and unfortunately gotten out of hand. To each his or her own... People have to make decisions for themselves. I understand all of this started as a "joke" but it unfortunately made someone else feel small.

Often when someone is made to feel small, they will retort making themselves "big". I don't think anyone's intent was to hurt, nor do I think anyone's intent was to come off condescending. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND LOVE EACH OTHER! Can you tell I'm a Californian?

This was my comment. My signature wasn't on before. I'm still learning Greek Chat.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

Liveit07, don't waste your time or your breath trying to explain. It's useless because you will be shouting into the wind.

Besides myself, I have not seen even one fairly active GC member openly confess the Lord. If there are other believers here, they are afraid to take a righteous stand. But, that's okay; there will be a day of reckoning because as Jesus said in Mark 8:28: "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." (NKJV)

So let the haters and naysayers do what they do. Shake 'em off, and don't make the mistake of getting drawn in and dragged down to their level. What God has for ITE is for ITE.

This sure sounded like a blanket statement to me (and obviously to others) and a very judgemental one at that--fire and brimstone, rather than loving correction. And very honestly it was the fire and brimstone, and dogmatic messages that drove me away for Christianity and organized religion in general. I wonder how you feel about the Pope's latest proclamation?

Personally, I want to believe in a Higher Power that is loving, and accepting of all of His/Her children, regardles of race, creed, or sexuality. Because if you do believe the scriptures She/He created us all in Her/His image. But then we all know the Bible was written by man just as the Qu'ran and other religious tools.

But to get back to your post sometimes you have to admit that the onus of a misinterpretation is on the sender, not the receivers when multiple people receive it the same way.

So I ask that you be as accepting of my spiritual beliefs as I am of yours. Quoting Biblical scripture means nothing to me.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

So I ask that you be as accepting of my spiritual beliefs as I am of yours. Quoting Biblical scripture means nothing to me.

What?! You mean that quoting the Bible for proof won't convince people to believe in the Bible?!?

[RozRochelle]

I was quoting to the original poster and to the original poster only. She made it clear she was a Christian, so I posted the quote to her, from one Christian to another. It was not for anybody else. I don't accept your spiritual beliefs, but I'm not going to disrespect you by putting you down or trying to convince you to believe otherwise, either. I don't have a heaven or a hell to put anybody in.

Originally Posted by ladygreek

So I ask that you be as accepting of my spiritual beliefs as I am of yours. Quoting Biblical scripture means nothing to me.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by RozRochelle

I was quoting to the original poster and to the original poster only. She made it clear she was a Christian, so I posted the quote to her, from one Christian to another. It was not for anybody else. I don't accept your spiritual beliefs, but I'm not going to disrespect you by putting you down or trying to convince you to believe otherwise, either. I don't have a heaven or a hell to put anybody in.

That's fine. You don't accept my spiritual beliefs. But I accept yours, because they are yours. As a Humanist we believe in the intrinisic good of Humans, and we believe you make your own Heaven or Hell while living. So you are right, neither or yours to put anybody in.

And for those of us Humanists who do believe in a Higher Power, we feel that He/She smiles upon us, too.