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Old 06-25-2007, 02:35 PM
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Do you think some of this could be a trend based in part on the universal appeal of hip-hop culture among young people? Sometimes I'm surprised by the music/dance/language/clothing that suburban kids of all colors enjoy today that would have made them posers when I was in high school/college. But they all seem to be okay with it...so isn't that a good thing?
I am confused--what does hip hop have to do with this discussion?
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Old 06-25-2007, 02:36 PM
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I am confused--what does hip hop have to do with this discussion?
I'm not sure, but I THINK it could have been a vague reference to gang signs and hand signals being similar. I'm attempting to decipher what it meant, as well.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:03 PM
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And again, when did the NPHC become a monolith? Alpha has more in common with Malik Fraternity, Inc., than some NPHC orgs.

NPHC traditions DO imitate others. Greek letters, rituals, grips, passwords, and handsigns didn't get created in a vacuum. The organizational structure wasn't unique. And as our organizations matured, we assumed the characteristics of our communities.

Where I'm from, the neighborhoods have calls and chants. Did NPHC orgs do it first? Does it really matter?

Did we have crossing jackets in 1906 or did they evolve over time?

We need perspective here.... sure, I agree with Chaos when she says traditions need to be acknowledged. But everything else is literally just a facade.
I see you and ladygreek's points, but the crossing jackets, the hand signs, and the terminology that we use is unique among our organizations and is not used among NPC/IFC organizations, at least not where I'm from.

ladygreek, you asked how BGLOs could get started without seeing another black student for weeks at a time. I was getting the impression that you thought this couldn't be possible. At IU it was possible, and it did happen. Our fraternity started off as Alpha Omega just to hold the 10 men together while the fraternity was being created. I can't speak for the other 8 GLOs, but I can for mine and it's history is accurate. Yes, black students would go days to weeks without seeing another black student.
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:09 PM
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It's funny you should mention this. When I was in undergrad, BGLOs did not have calls or handsigns (nor did Deltas collect elephants.) But Black students from various states did. The Delta call sounds very similar to what was then the New York call.
And when my grandmother pledged in '59, those things were not a part of her experience either.

The bolded bit is interesting.
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:42 PM
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I see you and ladygreek's points, but the crossing jackets, the hand signs, and the terminology that we use is unique among our organizations and is not used among NPC/IFC organizations, at least not where I'm from.

ladygreek, you asked how BGLOs could get started without seeing another black student for weeks at a time. I was getting the impression that you thought this couldn't be possible. At IU it was possible, and it did happen. Our fraternity started off as Alpha Omega just to hold the 10 men together while the fraternity was being created. I can't speak for the other 8 GLOs, but I can for mine and it's history is accurate. Yes, black students would go days to weeks without seeing another black student.
But that is my point. Rather than to continue to allow that to happen a support group was formed--Alpha Omega, which I guess became Kappa Alpha Nu. Thus those 10 Black men saw each other often I would assume.

Having first gone to a PWI that only had 50 Black students, we found ways to get together and be each other's support. So was IU's campus so big that folx literally didn't see each other?
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:52 PM
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I see you and ladygreek's points, but the crossing jackets, the hand signs, and the terminology that we use is unique among our organizations and is not used among NPC/IFC organizations, at least not where I'm from.
When I pledged we had sweaters not jackets. The other non-BGLOs had sweaters, too. The sweaters became windbreakers, then coach jackets.

In other words, not any of these current "traditions" are set in stone. And at least in Delta they are not listed in our Protocol and Traditions Manual as such. Who knows what the future generations of BGLOs will adopt?
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But that is my point. Rather than to continue to allow that to happen a support group was formed--Alpha Omega, which I guess became Kappa Alpha Nu. Thus those 10 Black men saw each other often I would assume.

Having first gone to a PWI that only had 50 Black students, we found ways to get together and be each other's support.

Precisely.

Black folks almost had support groups of some sort. They just became formalized Greek lettered organizations in the early 1900s.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:15 PM
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When I pledged we had sweaters not jackets.
I've seen photos of my ol skool family members' sweaters from the 50s and 60s. Adorable. I have seen some 80s Sorors bringing them back and wearing them to homecomings. I got one passed down to me from a 60s Soror and opted to keep it as a keep sake instead of wearing it.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:56 PM
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Doesn't bother me. In fact the term sands means different things within org in the NPHC depending on the chapter. Where I pledged in IL., we didn't use the term at all. We used a different one to denote someone who crossed with you in the same chapter.
Sands definitely has a different meaning if you crossed in the state of Illinois!
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Old 06-25-2007, 11:33 PM
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Sands definitely has a different meaning if you crossed in the state of Illinois!
Beginning with s and ending with p?
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:35 AM
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D9 has set trends over the last 100 years and will continue to set trends well into the next 100 years.

I used to get upset if some non-D9 group did anything remotely related to our traditions. Now, I just shake my head and move on because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. *shrugs shoulders*
I think that some of the GLO's borrow from the D9 because they think its cool and that's ok to me. What McCoyred said.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:50 AM
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i find a lot of this thread to be racist.

what if i said it annoyed me to see african american men wearing polos, driving pickup trucks, and hunting ducks with their yellow labs? i mean come on people. you people need to just let people do and be what they wanna be and do.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:25 AM
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i find a lot of this thread to be racist.
So are the Geico cavemen commercials.

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what if i said it annoyed me to see african american men wearing polos, driving pickup trucks, and hunting ducks with their yellow labs?
That would be your opinion. And if it was associated with particular IFC fraternity practices that black men in the NPHC fraternities adopted, your opinion would make sense.

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i mean come on people. you people need to just let people do and be what they wanna be and do.
Well we all certainly enjoy being called "you people."
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:12 PM
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OMG! lol at the Geico caveman comment.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:42 PM
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I personally dont care if non-nphc orgs step, chant, stroll/party-hop/party-walk, have line names/#s...like someone said...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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