Dirty Rushers :(

[futurerusheee]

I'm not talking about intervening- I'm pretty clearly talking about if I should or should not guide my own opinion off this

[Kevin]

Judging an entire chapter by the stupid actions of one person? I probably wouldn't.

[DarlingTexan]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Judging an entire chapter by the stupid actions of one person? I probably wouldn't.

This. ^^

Furthermore, if you are at a big, competitive school, dirty rushing is most likely very common. All of the chapters are probably doing it. (I may get yelled at for saying that...but that is the truth)

If the chapter takes the time to take a girl out, take pictures, and risk getting in trouble...it means they like the girl A LOT. Just be happy you (or your friend) has a leg up in a very big competition.

Reporting them is a horrible idea. The chapter will probably find out. Believe me.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Unless things are very different from where/when I went to school, dirty rushing is covered quite well in the spring prior to fall recruitment. I'm not buying "she didn't know better" as an excuse. "She didn't think she'd get caught" or "she didn't think there'd be consequences" are fair.

As for judging the entire group by the actions of one member...isn't that pretty much how sorority rush works? You only meet a handful of women, so this is information about the chapter, as much as anything else.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by futurerusheee

I'm not talking about intervening- I'm pretty clearly talking about if I should or should not guide my own opinion off this

Really? You haven't even attended any recruitment events and you're going to pre-judge an entire chapter by the antics of your friend and her friend?

As Forrest Gump's mama said: "sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense." Kind of a one-size fits all for every possible scenario here, IMO.

One final comment: we tell you a bajillion times to keep an open mind. Try it. You might like it. Those PNMs who keep an open mind usually have incredibly awesome recruitment outcomes!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

What this active sorority member has done is potentially very, very hurtful to the OP's friend. If friend doesn't get a bid from XYZ, she is going to be crushed far beyond how she'd feel if she hadn't been promised a bid.

I don't think it's fair to say this is the behavior of one woman and write it off. It's not like she saw one woman getting rowdy in a bar or one woman slacking off in class. She is aware of one woman playing a very mean game with her friend. I don't see how that could NOT influence her opinion of XYZ.

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Many collegians have come up with them. The national or international groups I am more familiar with have strongly discouraged their use.

I ranted on this in another thread (I think I hijacked SAI), but I immediately see "gang sign" when people throw up their hand signs in bid day pics. I am most definitely not the only one.

I also noticed one group's that looked like the ASL sign for "vagina" to me.

So yeah, I think I know why groups don't want their girls doing this in all of their pictures.

[futurerusheee]

I thought the idea of keeping an open mind was to give everyone a fair chance, not that cheating was okay.

There seems to be disagreement on whether it's so common that it's institutionalized, or that it's probably a rogue girl so it's unimportant. All I know is that if I loved this chapter and ended up there that I would still have a problem with it.

[Titchou]

Well, then you are going to spend your life being disappointed over and over as you will never find an organization where everyone plays by the rules - no matter where it is (even a church) or how well vetted they are. We're human. We make mistakes.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I also noticed one group's that looked like the ASL sign for "vagina" to me.

Well now I'm curious! It's probably a bad idea to post it here, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to know to which sign you're referring.

ETA: Google is my friend. I know the sign you're talking about now.

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Well now I'm curious! It's probably a bad idea to post it here, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to know to which sign you're referring.

ETA: Google is my friend. I know the sign you're talking about now.

I took ASL when I went there. My prof ranted about it on the first day and made sure we made it round... Also when I joined KD, the older students made sure we didn't make "dirty deltas" so that it didn't mean something inappropriate in ASL. A lot of women in my chapter took ASL, I blame it being across the street from the house.


To be more on the sorority topic: Some groups signs make sense and you can tell what they are making. ADPi's diamond sign makes sense when you know it is for ADPi. Other NPC sororities have come up with hand signs that look really awkward or are almost unintelligible until it is explained to you. There are some where the symbol is too complicated or it just looks awkward.

IMO: Handsigns can be cute. There are some pinned by HQ that I think are adorable. However, a picture of a chapter looking polished and smiling looks much more polished and professional vs a chapter where everyone is doing the symbol and it just looks busy. I never liked the pictures of my chapter or even a pledge class all doing the symbol because it was just too much all at once. The pictures where we just smiled looked tons better.

[DubaiSis]

That is hysterical! Thankfully the Alpha Xi sign is very simply an X and an I, nothing that will cause arthritic convulsions or be misrepresented.

[futurerusheee]

Wow, totally forgot about this post! I stumbled back to GC and decided I would update if anyone even recalls this

I ended up staying at this particular chapter until ranking them low before prefs. I found my happy wonderful home and am now initiated somewhere else. I can also happily say that the friend in question ended up going to the dirty rushers! She's thrilled to be there and all's well that ends well.

I was pretty torn between my pref choices so I did kind of let this situation sway my opinion of the group...and as it turns out that they have somewhat of a "reputation" for playing dirty. I'm glad my friend came out on the bright side and I'm also glad that I found my wonderful sisters!

[etadrisophila]

Thanks for sharing your news. Congratulations to you and to your chapter. It is great that things turned out well for all of you.

Be thoughtful and careful about what you say about other chapters and chapter members- both in person and on the forum.

Lastly, it may be time to create a new account with a different name!