High school Sororities and Fraternities

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Kjudicious

arguing

(I personally don't think this poster is really a KL but if he is, that's even funnier.)

[Kjudicious]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

(I personally don't think this poster is really a KL but if he is, that's even funnier.)

And that is the result of doing something you're not accustomed to, cupcake. I mean...Why act hard on the computer? Nobody really cares.

[DSTCHAOS]

I rest my case. On so many levels.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

^^^ I agree.

They shouldn't be clubs -- they should be "programs."

I am pretty glad that APhiA doesn't have a national youth auxilliary.

I'm glad we don't either.

And I'm also glad I wasn't in a high school sorority.

Looking back to all the Marjorie Sharmat books I read in junior high, the "sisterhoods" she wrote about was based purely on superficial reasons -- i.e. nobody but sorority sisters sit at the Chi Kappa table in the cafeteria. If I had joined an organization like that before becoming an adult, I probably would have been turned off from Greek Life in college because I'd think that all sorority girls were like the ones I read about as a 13 year old.

Finally, I can't help but haha at DSTCHAOS and cupcake. What's up with all the food references lately?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OTW

Finally, I can't help but haha at DSTCHAOS and cupcake. What's up with all the food references lately?

Stew and a cupcake for dinner!!!

[Sister Havana]

Originally Posted by OTW

Looking back to all the Marjorie Sharmat books I read in junior high, the "sisterhoods" she wrote about was based purely on superficial reasons -- i.e. nobody but sorority sisters sit at the Chi Kappa table in the cafeteria. If I had joined an organization like that before becoming an adult, I probably would have been turned off from Greek Life in college because I'd think that all sorority girls were like the ones I read about as a 13 year old.

Haha, I loooooved those books back in the day.

[KLeaguer1970]

I am in Kappa League which is a Leadership and Development program(Kappa Leadership and Development League.) I personally think that KL is beneficial to me and the other guys in the League because we do other things besides throw parties and party walk... we have done many events dealing with our community and surrounding areas. Also, our advisors often remind us that we are not in a fraternity, and regulates things like having Kanes and doin innapropriate things at parties. What many fail to realize is that these youth auxilliaries are not always just about a bunch of kids stepping and imatating the BGLOs, to us this is a family that leaves a lasting imprent in our lives. KL is also a mentoring Org. which has requirements to get in(ie GPA) in my chapter we have a process but all you have to do is study information about KL and take a test and thats the new line. We do not haze or show favortism of ppl that want to be on KL, because we are not a frat so why be selective of people that could possible wanna just learn how to become a better man. At my school we have Omega Prep, Sons of the Sphinx (SOS), Sigma Beta, Kappa League, Del-teens, Ivy Pearls, and Archonettes but we are all friends that chose to be in these orgs becuz of being legacies or maybe be cause we liked what it exemplifies but they all have good intentions and DONT HAZE. In addition we had a debate about this very subject in my Debate II class which i sided with the against the Orgs., i argued that (i)these organizations cause students to not see the BGLOs in the same way when they actually get to college because they have already gone through a similar experience,(ii) the youth auxs. were not meant for Stepping and parties ecause this strays away from the real meanin... mentorship and education, and (iii) this could be detrimental to the student if they were to wear their supposedly "JUNOR FRAT" gear when they matriculate to college. All of these were points that i didnt believe (but argued it bcuz ive heard older greeks say this stuff) in but had substanance, the only problem that i have is when ppl Knock youth auxs. before getting the whole concept and if you dont like whats going on in you Frat or Sorority shouldnt you intervene, get involved and try to comprimise you beliefs to make the youth org better. Whenever and what ever fraternity i pledge... Kappa League has shown me how to be committed to something that i care about... which will be shown when i pledge.

[fludda]

Originally Posted by KLeaguer1970

I am in Kappa League which is a Leadership and Development program(Kappa Leadership and Development League.) I personally think that KL is beneficial to me and the other guys in the League because we do other things besides throw parties and party walk... we have done many events dealing with our community and surrounding areas. Also, our advisors often remind us that we are not in a fraternity, and regulates things like having Kanes and doin innapropriate things at parties. What many fail to realize is that these youth auxilliaries are not always just about a bunch of kids stepping and imatating the BGLOs, to us this is a family that leaves a lasting imprent in our lives. KL is also a mentoring Org. which has requirements to get in(ie GPA) in my chapter we have a process but all you have to do is study information about KL and take a test and thats the new line. We do not haze or show favortism of ppl that want to be on KL, because we are not a frat so why be selective of people that could possible wanna just learn how to become a better man. At my school we have Omega Prep, Sons of the Sphinx (SOS), Sigma Beta, Kappa League, Del-teens, Ivy Pearls, and Archonettes but we are all friends that chose to be in these orgs becuz of being legacies or maybe be cause we liked what it exemplifies but they all have good intentions and DONT HAZE. In addition we had a debate about this very subject in my Debate II class which i sided with the against the Orgs., i argued that (i)these organizations cause students to not see the BGLOs in the same way when they actually get to college because they have already gone through a similar experience,(ii) the youth auxs. were not meant for Stepping and parties ecause this strays away from the real meanin... mentorship and education, and (iii) this could be detrimental to the student if they were to wear their supposedly "JUNOR FRAT" gear when they matriculate to college. All of these were points that i didnt believe (but argued it bcuz ive heard older greeks say this stuff) in but had substanance, the only problem that i have is when ppl Knock youth auxs. before getting the whole concept and if you dont like whats going on in you Frat or Sorority shouldnt you intervene, get involved and try to comprimise you beliefs to make the youth org better. Whenever and what ever fraternity i pledge... Kappa League has shown me how to be committed to something that i care about... which will be shown when i pledge.

Hey! I was having the same debate with my class in one of my classes also...Dkr. Kontroversial couldn't say it any better and I agree wit him 100%! And also...I want to say one thing...fraternities have many definitions...Kappa League, Sigma Beta, SOS are fraternities simply because it is a group of people who share a common purpose, interest, or pleasure...IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN GREEK ORGANIZATION!! Even Boy Scouts counts as a fraternity!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by fludda

Hey! I was having the same debate with my class in one of my classes also...Dkr. Kontroversial couldn't say it any better and I agree wit him 100%! And also...I want to say one thing...fraternities have many definitions...Kappa League, Sigma Beta, SOS are fraternities simply because it is a group of people who share a common purpose, interest, or pleasure...IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN GREEK ORGANIZATION!! Even Boy Scouts counts as a fraternity!

Just because something "counts" doesn't mean it is meant to be labeled and categorized in that way.

Teresa Heinz Kerry "counts" as African American, but does that make her a good representative of African American life?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

...but does that make her a good representative of African American life?

Sorry to just barge in, but that's not really fair. No one person can be a good representative of African American life any more than one person can be a good representative of Caucasian life, or Hawaiian life, or Earthling life, etc...

One person can be a good representative only of a group which has certain intentions, or practices, or characteristics. Like, 'he's a good representative of Presbyterians, or Professional Swimmers, or XYZ Fraternity'.

But, all this is neither here nor there. None of this has anything to do with my feelings towards high school fraternities and sororities, which is the subject of the thread. My HS had the Key Club, which seemed fraternity-like. There were several sororities, but only one of them had Greek letters (and there were 4!); the rest had English names, but what difference does it really make. I wasn't in one, but I don't see why the girls who were in one shouldn't've had that opportunity if that's what they wanted.

All this just to say that I have no real opinion about HS sororities and fraternities. Whatever.

[Senusret I]

You're ignoring my point.

Just because Scouting qualifies as a fraternity in the eyes of the poster doesn't mean it would be an ideal sampling of fraternity life.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You're ignoring my point.

Just because Scouting qualifies as a fraternity in the eyes of the poster doesn't mean it would be an ideal sampling of fraternity life.

SydneyK's response is accurate however I view race dynamics as more complex than that so I won't open that can of worms.

I got YOUR point.

These groups are examples of fraternal organizations in the broad sense of the term. But when someone says "fraternity" the ideal example isn't Boy Scouts or Kappa League.

[fludda]

So basically what u are saying is that in order for a fraternity to be a fraternity...u must be 18 years or older and in college, go through an initiation period, and it must consist of 3 greek letters? If so, does that means that Masons and OES are not Fratern(soror)ities? As I stated...KL/SB/SOS are clubs...however they are fraternities for the reason that they are for a group of people who share a common purpose and interest. They are sponsored by KAPsi, APhiA, and PhiBSigma but while the students get into these clubs...the advisors do mention that we are not on the level as the fraternity that sponsors us. For example, Since I am in KLm They tell us not to wear the Crimson and Cream, wear any KAPsi paraphernalia, say that you rep KAPsi, do the KAPsi hand sign, and any other things that deal with their fraternity.

There's people in these groups that really want to take part in the KAPsi, APhiA, or PhiBSigma when dey go to college, however many people join the group for support/mentoring, and it also looks good on college applications.

[Q Phi Xi Ace]

I am A Member of Omega Phi Xi high school band fraternity Inc. we step we party greek wear spray painted marching brows. We go through being a Pledge Intake process wood back neck physical thangs etc its worth it brotherhood. We are not Little brothers of any national black fraternity at all. We are a independent ORG WE LIVE UP TO ARE PURPOSE. ALL members of Omega Phi Xi band Fraternity Inc. are great musicians and we do community service for our city detroit and our High school King High Our Principal knows about our Org and approves things we will like to do around the school . Accourse we Will go to our perspective colleges and pledge our orgs of choice but we plan for our org to be in all urban high school marching bands in THE U.S. We got Incorporated within a year after being founded cuz any high school org can wear greek letters but we took it to a next level and got Incorporated and mostly college orgs hold Inc on there orgs. We just striving to put our frat on da map we known in our detroit high school district bands and people dats just students.

IronMan #1 Aces Wild "Hell Night was worth it"
Triple Threat spring 06
Alpha Chapter

WFXInc.

R.I.T.B.I.F.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by fludda

So basically what u are saying is that in order for a fraternity to be a fraternity...u must be 18 years or older and in college, go through an initiation period, and it must consist of 3 greek letters?

There are a couple of fraternities like Sigma Rhomeo that do not have 3 Greek letters. Other than that, YES.

Originally Posted by fludda

If so, does that means that Masons and OES are not Fratern(soror)ities?

Yes. Many Masons and OES consider themselves the beginning of fraternal organizations but do not want to be relegated to the "fraternity" and "sorority" title.