High school Sororities and Fraternities

[KLeaguer1970]

I am in Kappa League which is a Leadership and Development program(Kappa Leadership and Development League.) I personally think that KL is beneficial to me and the other guys in the League because we do other things besides throw parties and party walk... we have done many events dealing with our community and surrounding areas. Also, our advisors often remind us that we are not in a fraternity, and regulates things like having Kanes and doin innapropriate things at parties. What many fail to realize is that these youth auxilliaries are not always just about a bunch of kids stepping and imatating the BGLOs, to us this is a family that leaves a lasting imprent in our lives. KL is also a mentoring Org. which has requirements to get in(ie GPA) in my chapter we have a process but all you have to do is study information about KL and take a test and thats the new line. We do not haze or show favortism of ppl that want to be on KL, because we are not a frat so why be selective of people that could possible wanna just learn how to become a better man. At my school we have Omega Prep, Sons of the Sphinx (SOS), Sigma Beta, Kappa League, Del-teens, Ivy Pearls, and Archonettes but we are all friends that chose to be in these orgs becuz of being legacies or maybe be cause we liked what it exemplifies but they all have good intentions and DONT HAZE. In addition we had a debate about this very subject in my Debate II class which i sided with the against the Orgs., i argued that (i)these organizations cause students to not see the BGLOs in the same way when they actually get to college because they have already gone through a similar experience,(ii) the youth auxs. were not meant for Stepping and parties ecause this strays away from the real meanin... mentorship and education, and (iii) this could be detrimental to the student if they were to wear their supposedly "JUNOR FRAT" gear when they matriculate to college. All of these were points that i didnt believe (but argued it bcuz ive heard older greeks say this stuff) in but had substanance, the only problem that i have is when ppl Knock youth auxs. before getting the whole concept and if you dont like whats going on in you Frat or Sorority shouldnt you intervene, get involved and try to comprimise you beliefs to make the youth org better. Whenever and what ever fraternity i pledge... Kappa League has shown me how to be committed to something that i care about... which will be shown when i pledge.

[fludda]

Originally Posted by KLeaguer1970

I am in Kappa League which is a Leadership and Development program(Kappa Leadership and Development League.) I personally think that KL is beneficial to me and the other guys in the League because we do other things besides throw parties and party walk... we have done many events dealing with our community and surrounding areas. Also, our advisors often remind us that we are not in a fraternity, and regulates things like having Kanes and doin innapropriate things at parties. What many fail to realize is that these youth auxilliaries are not always just about a bunch of kids stepping and imatating the BGLOs, to us this is a family that leaves a lasting imprent in our lives. KL is also a mentoring Org. which has requirements to get in(ie GPA) in my chapter we have a process but all you have to do is study information about KL and take a test and thats the new line. We do not haze or show favortism of ppl that want to be on KL, because we are not a frat so why be selective of people that could possible wanna just learn how to become a better man. At my school we have Omega Prep, Sons of the Sphinx (SOS), Sigma Beta, Kappa League, Del-teens, Ivy Pearls, and Archonettes but we are all friends that chose to be in these orgs becuz of being legacies or maybe be cause we liked what it exemplifies but they all have good intentions and DONT HAZE. In addition we had a debate about this very subject in my Debate II class which i sided with the against the Orgs., i argued that (i)these organizations cause students to not see the BGLOs in the same way when they actually get to college because they have already gone through a similar experience,(ii) the youth auxs. were not meant for Stepping and parties ecause this strays away from the real meanin... mentorship and education, and (iii) this could be detrimental to the student if they were to wear their supposedly "JUNOR FRAT" gear when they matriculate to college. All of these were points that i didnt believe (but argued it bcuz ive heard older greeks say this stuff) in but had substanance, the only problem that i have is when ppl Knock youth auxs. before getting the whole concept and if you dont like whats going on in you Frat or Sorority shouldnt you intervene, get involved and try to comprimise you beliefs to make the youth org better. Whenever and what ever fraternity i pledge... Kappa League has shown me how to be committed to something that i care about... which will be shown when i pledge.

Hey! I was having the same debate with my class in one of my classes also...Dkr. Kontroversial couldn't say it any better and I agree wit him 100%! And also...I want to say one thing...fraternities have many definitions...Kappa League, Sigma Beta, SOS are fraternities simply because it is a group of people who share a common purpose, interest, or pleasure...IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN GREEK ORGANIZATION!! Even Boy Scouts counts as a fraternity!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by fludda

Hey! I was having the same debate with my class in one of my classes also...Dkr. Kontroversial couldn't say it any better and I agree wit him 100%! And also...I want to say one thing...fraternities have many definitions...Kappa League, Sigma Beta, SOS are fraternities simply because it is a group of people who share a common purpose, interest, or pleasure...IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN GREEK ORGANIZATION!! Even Boy Scouts counts as a fraternity!

Just because something "counts" doesn't mean it is meant to be labeled and categorized in that way.

Teresa Heinz Kerry "counts" as African American, but does that make her a good representative of African American life?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

...but does that make her a good representative of African American life?

Sorry to just barge in, but that's not really fair. No one person can be a good representative of African American life any more than one person can be a good representative of Caucasian life, or Hawaiian life, or Earthling life, etc...

One person can be a good representative only of a group which has certain intentions, or practices, or characteristics. Like, 'he's a good representative of Presbyterians, or Professional Swimmers, or XYZ Fraternity'.

But, all this is neither here nor there. None of this has anything to do with my feelings towards high school fraternities and sororities, which is the subject of the thread. My HS had the Key Club, which seemed fraternity-like. There were several sororities, but only one of them had Greek letters (and there were 4!); the rest had English names, but what difference does it really make. I wasn't in one, but I don't see why the girls who were in one shouldn't've had that opportunity if that's what they wanted.

All this just to say that I have no real opinion about HS sororities and fraternities. Whatever.

[Senusret I]

You're ignoring my point.

Just because Scouting qualifies as a fraternity in the eyes of the poster doesn't mean it would be an ideal sampling of fraternity life.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You're ignoring my point.

Just because Scouting qualifies as a fraternity in the eyes of the poster doesn't mean it would be an ideal sampling of fraternity life.

SydneyK's response is accurate however I view race dynamics as more complex than that so I won't open that can of worms.

I got YOUR point.

These groups are examples of fraternal organizations in the broad sense of the term. But when someone says "fraternity" the ideal example isn't Boy Scouts or Kappa League.

[fludda]

So basically what u are saying is that in order for a fraternity to be a fraternity...u must be 18 years or older and in college, go through an initiation period, and it must consist of 3 greek letters? If so, does that means that Masons and OES are not Fratern(soror)ities? As I stated...KL/SB/SOS are clubs...however they are fraternities for the reason that they are for a group of people who share a common purpose and interest. They are sponsored by KAPsi, APhiA, and PhiBSigma but while the students get into these clubs...the advisors do mention that we are not on the level as the fraternity that sponsors us. For example, Since I am in KLm They tell us not to wear the Crimson and Cream, wear any KAPsi paraphernalia, say that you rep KAPsi, do the KAPsi hand sign, and any other things that deal with their fraternity.

There's people in these groups that really want to take part in the KAPsi, APhiA, or PhiBSigma when dey go to college, however many people join the group for support/mentoring, and it also looks good on college applications.

Is it just me or have there been a lot of high school students coming out of the woodwork lately? Especially those interested in joining/are currently members of NPHC auxiliary groups?

Did someone post the GC link on a high school message board or something?

[FatalDSTination]

I was a mademoiselle in high school. Some kids in need something productive to do with their time, I think the groups can be very positive, and if you have a good sponsor like I did, who just so happened to be a Delta from Tuskegee, you learn that its not just about stepping. It was about building relationships, growing into adulthood, being responsible, helping in your communities, etc. Hell, I said I wasnt even going to college before I became a part of that group.. but my sponsor was so positive.. and such a beautiful woman in my opinion, I wanted to be "like her"..
I ran into her at convention in Vegas and literally started crying because I was so happy to see her and to show her who had become because of her... In saying all that, sometimes, its about so much more than just wanting to imitate a GLO!

[fludda]

Originally Posted by FatalDSTination

I was a mademoiselle in high school. Some kids in need something productive to do with their time, I think the groups can be very positive, and if you have a good sponsor like I did, who just so happened to be a Delta from Tuskegee, you learn that its not just about stepping. It was about building relationships, growing into adulthood, being responsible, helping in your communities, etc. Hell, I said I wasnt even going to college before I became a part of that group.. but my sponsor was so positive.. and such a beautiful woman in my opinion, I wanted to be "like her"..
I ran into her at convention in Vegas and literally started crying because I was so happy to see her and to show her who had become because of her... In saying all that, sometimes, its about so much more than just wanting to imitate a GLO!

And you know...thats what its all about...for teenagers who needs something productive to do...We need mentors to help us teenagers become more responsible and help us learn the significance of helping our communities. Yeah, we have parents and all...but in my case---My father died and I really didn't have an older male role model. So even though I did well in school and had manners, I really never had a big networking and support system, and that's where Kappa League came in. It's now at the point where I can talk to my advisors about the problems without me feeling so weird or embarrased. Along with that I can talk to the other KL members and they can help me with any problems I have as well...And with this story says why I say that Kappa League is a fraternity inside a fraternity...because when you are in a problem you will have somebody to help you...BROTHERHOOD is the word! So with that being said regardless of what yall have to say...by definition Kappa League can count as a fraternity even though it is still in auxiliary group sponsored by KAPsi Frat. Inc.

Originally Posted by DSTChaos

This is why I was humored by that KL guy. The timing is just too much. Especially for those high schoolers who fit why some of us dislike the idea of those organizations.

I don't wanna say this to be wise mouthed but if you really dont like the youth auxiliary groups, don't you think that you should talk to your alumni chapter to ban the group if yall don't like it...You need to remember...The people who join KL, Delteens, Archonettes, SB, SOS...joined it because it was a club at their schools. They promote the club, We join it, and if we like it, we stay committed and dedicated! That is right...right?!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OTW

Is it just me or have there been a lot of high school students coming out of the woodwork lately? Especially those interested in joining/are currently members of NPHC auxiliary groups?

Did someone post the GC link on a high school message board or something?

This is why I was humored by that KL guy. The timing is just too much. Especially for those high schoolers who fit why some of us dislike the idea of those organizations.