240,000 dollars awarded to man forced to cover Arab T-shirt - Page 3

Senusret I · #1 01-07-2009, 11:47 AM

Well yeah, I almost added an asterisk and mention several NPHC and recruitment forums, but I figured I better be general. lol

ASTalumna06 · #2 01-07-2009, 12:54 PM

Question: Was this guy arrested? Was he not allowed to fly? Or was he simply asked to change his shirt? Keep in mind, this doesn’t change my opinion about this matter any, but if he was only asked to change and/or cover his shirt, what’s the point? The guy could have put on a sweatshirt, but still hijacked the plane just as easily as if he was only wearing the original shirt.

Now, another question: What if a homosexual walked on a plane, wearing a shirt that said, “We will not be silent” in rainbow colors. What would you interpret that to mean? Would you expect that person to cover their shirt, also?

People will argue, as they already have, “But 19 homosexuals didn’t try to hijack planes before.” That’s nice. Who cares? Either way you look at it, you’re judging people based on what other people have.. or haven’t done. Who’s to say that particular homosexual doesn’t have 18 of his buddies waiting at other airports, ready to take over some planes? But because you looked at the darker-skinned man next to him and judged only him because of his shirt, thousands of people will still die.

This is racial profiling, no matter how you look at it.

People here keep saying, “Well this Muslim did this, and that Arab did that, and this was bad, and that's why I’m scared.” Yes, bad things happen because of bad people. And there are crazy people in this country who come from the Middle East. And there are crazy people in this country who grew up next door. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT EVERYONE OF THAT SAME RACE/ETHNICITY/POLITICAL GROUP ETC. ARE BAD PEOPLE. And if you do think this way, I would be led to believe that you think everyone is a bad person.

And yes, racial profiling happens in this country everyday. But that doesn’t make it right.

So, if you want to live your life in fear of every person that you walk by on the street, that’s fine. Go ahead... worry 24 hours a day and think that the person next to you is always out to get you. But don’t interrupt other people’s lives doing it.

ASTalumna06 · #3 01-09-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Loved this comment here and it speaks volumes:

Not only did security at JFK assume that Jarrar was potentially dangerous because of his shirt, they also assumed that making him remove the shirt would do away with the danger.

Which is why I asked this...

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Question: Was this guy arrested? Was he not allowed to fly? Or was he simply asked to change his shirt? Keep in mind, this doesn’t change my opinion about this matter any, but if he was only asked to change and/or cover his shirt, what’s the point? The guy could have put on a sweatshirt, but still hijacked the plane just as easily as if he was only wearing the original shirt.

If you're going to remove someone from the plane because they could potentially be dangerous, that's one thing. To be afraid of a saying on a shirt, and to ask the man to remove it, while still allowing him to fly, is ridiculous... and pointless.

moe.ron · #4 01-09-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Which is why I asked this...

If you're going to remove someone from the plane because they could potentially be dangerous, that's one thing. To be afraid of a saying on a shirt, and to ask the man to remove it, while still allowing him to fly, is ridiculous... and pointless.

You have to wonder then, was the offending person just blatantly a bigot?

agzg · #5 01-07-2009, 02:15 PM

I would just think that although many Arabs from all over the Middle East don't like or appreciate Israel, the more likely candidates to be yelling "death to Israel" would be Palestinians.

agzg · #6 01-07-2009, 02:53 PM

FWIW, the top one was what I was trying to describe, but the Palestinian protesters that I saw the other day weren't wearing it across their faces, it was too thin.

It's not a "terrorists only" thing.

epchick · #7 01-07-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

FWIW, the top one was what I was trying to describe, but the Palestinian protesters that I saw the other day weren't wearing it across their faces, it was too thin.

It's not a "terrorists only" thing.

Did they wear it around their head or neck? A lot of my Arab friends have a Keyyifeh (and the Saudi guys wear the red one) and they definitely aren't terrorists.

If I remember correctly (from what i've been told) its more of a sentimental thing. You wear it as a sign of protest against how Palestinians are treated (and yes by Israel). That is why there was a lot of controversy when Urban Outfitters, Rachael Ray, etc came out wearing something similar to it.

agzg · #8 01-07-2009, 03:06 PM

The black and white checked one around the neck. They had red, black, and green accents near the fringe. I should have looked up a picture when I was posting about them the first time but I was lazy. I've seen Saudis wearing the red one as pictured.

It's not terribly threatening unless someone lets their imagination run away with them.

agzg · #9 01-07-2009, 03:20 PM

Found it! This is what the protesters were wearing around their necks:

starang21 · #10 01-09-2009, 06:55 PM

where can i buy that shirt? i need 240,000 dollars

AlphaDeltaDelta · #11 01-10-2009, 05:57 AM

Ugh. As someone who is Jewish, has lived in Israel, and has many friends in the Israeli military, I find it hard to post here since it is clear where most of the sentiment is. I would take articles like the one posted with a grain of salt, as they are clearly writing from a biased point of view. For one, Palestinians in the last 10 years have been increasing using women and "children" (I don't really see a 16-17 year old with a gun as a child but that's just me) for their suicide attacks, as they would be less suspicious. Many of the women and children reported killed are killed while inside the Hamas compounds being bombed, as they are the wives and children of the people the Israelis are trying to eliminate. While it is regrettable that these things happen, it is a part of war. I found it interesting when a Palestinian rocket aimed at an Israeli city went astray earlier in the year and killed a bunch of Palestinian children, there wasn't a single mention of it on CNN. I'm sorry if I'm rambling a bit, it just drives me crazy how slanted news coverage and the UN are on this issue.

ThetaPrincess24 · #12 01-10-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaDeltaDelta

Ugh. As someone who is Jewish, has lived in Israel, and has many friends in the Israeli military, I find it hard to post here since it is clear where most of the sentiment is. I would take articles like the one posted with a grain of salt, as they are clearly writing from a biased point of view. For one, Palestinians in the last 10 years have been increasing using women and "children" (I don't really see a 16-17 year old with a gun as a child but that's just me) for their suicide attacks, as they would be less suspicious. Many of the women and children reported killed are killed while inside the Hamas compounds being bombed, as they are the wives and children of the people the Israelis are trying to eliminate. While it is regrettable that these things happen, it is a part of war. I found it interesting when a Palestinian rocket aimed at an Israeli city went astray earlier in the year and killed a bunch of Palestinian children, there wasn't a single mention of it on CNN. I'm sorry if I'm rambling a bit, it just drives me crazy how slanted news coverage and the UN are on this issue.

I agree totally. I joined International Fellowship of Christians & Jews for that purpose and to help the cause of Israel. I dont agree with everything Israel does. I dont agree with everything the USA does. But I will defend both at all costs. This is not a war based on land or history. It is based on theology. I personally believe Israel has a biblical mandate to that land.

preciousjeni · #13 01-11-2009, 01:21 AM

The thread blew up while I was away, but this comment

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Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

I dont agree with everything Israel does. I dont agree with everything the USA does. But I will defend both at all costs. This is not a war based on land or history. It is based on theology. I personally believe Israel has a biblical mandate to that land.

gets a big fat

SWTXBelle · #14 01-12-2009, 11:04 AM

What he said.

UGAalum94 · #15 01-12-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

What he said.

Right, but if you have press reporting as we do about Gaza, it's really hard to make the claim that the rest of the world is failing to act because of anything we did or didn't know.

And it's also hard to make the claim that it was the sanctioned presence of the international press that was important in any of those cases, for any reason really. What good did knowing really do when the UN peacekeepers let one side go in a slaughter people?

Assuming the international press did document "war crimes," what do you think would happen? I'm not that optimistic that shame is that powerful a motivator here AND I'd be really surprised if anything but a strongly worded UN resolution followed.

Again, it's not that I'm like "yay, war crimes," but I think that ultimately most situations are resolved by someone having the brute strength and the will to use it to prevent action by the other side. Sometimes the threat of using that strength is enough, but people have to know you mean it.

Sometimes the strength can be economic as well.