Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[FSUZeta]

"Move away from the computer."[/QUOTE] it was meant to be taken in jest. it was funny.

[NutBrnHair]

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[pialpha92]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Can you give examples of what you mean by "rejection of someone based on physical appearance" within the group?

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People acknowledging that "image matters in recruitment in the SEC" in any form, even the ones that you kind of said were alright as far as matching people with what they were best at, translates to blaming the fat people, for example.

So unless you can give examples of people being singled out for appearance at chapters at non-competitive recruitments, it's hard to know what you are really talking about.

Do you mean dress check? Or do you mean having a concrete example of a young woman being told to stay away from recruitment at a strong chapter at a non-competitive school, and you know personally that her only "weakness" was appearance?

I'm not referring to dress check, and I fail to see how assigning people to duties they are best at translates into blaming the 'fat people'. I don't see where that even applies. That is a completely different issue. There is difference between showing everyone at there best and telling people they aren't fit too be seen at all because they are overweight.

"rejection of someone based on physical appearance" referred to the current discussion of asking the overweight person to stay away. I broadened it a little to include that person that also may be asked to stay away because of they aren't considered pretty enough, whatever.

If you want a specific example to prove that it happens - I've known it to happen at a "non-competitive" campus firsthand. A member from a chapter that was doing well,made quota every fall, had high GPA etc was asked to 'stay in the kitchen'. She had a great personality, carried herself well, was well liked by her sisters - but was very overweight in a chapter that did not have other overweight members. She was told that she should not come out of the kitchen during the parties. She knew members of the AOII chapter I was working with and they were shocked that anyone would treat a sister that way (as was I).

It was not a competitive campus, an SEC campus or even a very greek campus - but it still happened all the same.

Whether the OP was telling of a real situation or making something up to stir up discussion doesn't matter. It happens - if it didn't people wouldn't be going to so much trouble to justify it. I happen to not agree with it, others think it is fine. To each their own.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

139

140, NOW.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

"Move away from the computer."it was meant to be taken in jest. it was funny.

LoLz

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

139

Ha ha

How high can you count?

Originally Posted by pialpha92

I'm not referring to dress check, and I fail to see how assigning people to duties they are best at translates into blaming the 'fat people'. I don't see where that even applies. That is a completely different issue. There is difference between showing everyone at there best and telling people they aren't fit too be seen at all because they are overweight.

"rejection of someone based on physical appearance" referred to the current discussion of asking the overweight person to stay away. I broadened it a little to include that person that also may be asked to stay away because of they aren't considered pretty enough, whatever.

If you want a specific example to prove that it happens - I've known it to happen at a "non-competitive" campus firsthand. A member from a chapter that was doing well,made quota every fall, had high GPA etc was asked to 'stay in the kitchen'. She had a great personality, carried herself well, was well liked by her sisters - but was very overweight in a chapter that did not have other overweight members. She was told that she should not come out of the kitchen during the parties. She knew members of the AOII chapter I was working with and they were shocked that anyone would treat a sister that way (as was I).

It was not a competitive campus, an SEC campus or even a very greek campus - but it still happened all the same.

Whether the OP was telling of a real situation or making something up to stir up discussion doesn't matter. It happens - if it didn't people wouldn't be going to so much trouble to justify it. I happen to not agree with it, others think it is fine. To each their own.

I don't think anyone has offered any support to suggest that the example you gave or any like it is justified.

The only justification that I'd seen offered occurred within the very narrow example of "is it better for a struggling chapter to close than it is to hurt a members feeling?" And even that was totally hypothetical because no one even agreed it would work, much less be right.

Were you and your sisters able to do anything about this situation?

[NUBlue&Blue]

I have nothing to add, except to say that I like your new sig AlphaGamUgaAlum, and I will use "rush", too. And I'll say "house" and "pledge" just for good measure.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by NUBlue&Blue

I have nothing to add, except to say that I like your new sig AlphaGamUgaAlum, and I will use "rush", too. And I'll say "house" and "pledge" just for good measure.

Aw, thanks. I do understand, on some level, people wanting to use the terms that have been deemed best in terms of external presentation of the process, but come on, here on GreekChat, my using "rush" is going to be the PR disaster?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by dream*a*dream

goodness! while i was typing my post... i have now realized that i agreed with tom earp. i just agreed with tom earp!?!?!

he is right. he was concise and he was coherent! but... i just agreed with tom earp!?!?!

*sweet*dreams*

WOW, 14 total posts and You agree with me!

You are amazing!

This site has gotten over the top and is going no where other than calling FAT PEOPLE FAT and not acceptable as I get the take on it?
Being in a Fraternity and having a Fat Brother for one, He is now the PR Man for the NCCA of Collegete Sports.

Is He still pretty damn Cool? You bet!

In every bolimok (SIC) person is a fat person wanting to get out and vise versa!

[FSUZeta]

bulimic

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

bulimic

Ahh.

[pialpha92]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I don't think anyone has offered any support to suggest that the example you gave or any like it is justified.

The only justification that I'd seen offered occurred within the very narrow example of "is it better for a struggling chapter to close than it is to hurt a members feeling?" And even that was totally hypothetical because no one even agreed it would work, much less be right.

Were you and your sisters able to do anything about this situation?

I was asked for an example to prove my point and I gave one. It was not done within our chapter so there is not much you can do to change another groups internal operations, especially finding out after rush is over. Our members were of course supportive of the other NPC's member in question.

I only posted again because some posters have stated that it is necessary on more competitive campuses, trying to justify the practice. My point was only that the practice is not limited to that situation - and regardless, I feel it is never acceptable or necessary - even in the example of a struggling chapter.

I feel that if they are good enough to be your sister the other 51 weeks of the year then they are good enough to be your sister during rush. Some may disagree - that's life.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by pialpha92

I was asked for an example to prove my point and I gave one. It was not done within our chapter so there is not much you can do to change another groups internal operations, especially finding out after rush is over. Our members were of course supportive of the other NPC's member in question.

I only posted again because some posters have stated that it is necessary on more competitive campuses, trying to justify the practice. My point was only that the practice is not limited to that situation - and regardless, I feel it is never acceptable or necessary - even in the example of a struggling chapter.

I feel that if they are good enough to be your sister the other 51 weeks of the year then they are good enough to be your sister during rush. Some may disagree - that's life.

I thought it was a chapter of your group, but I agree that it would be a challenge to know what to do. It just seems kind of sad for the folks who want to change things that even when you have clear examples of your own organization engaging in the practice, nothing can be done.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with your basic premise about 51 weeks of the year here although there are some folks who think that it might be better to steer some folks to certain recruitment positions for that one week.

It's a little odd to me that people think as far as being a "good rusher" or having skit talent, there is an objective standard that is appropriate to use (even if it might hurt feelings, I guess), but appearance, especially weight, is in another category. It seems a little weird. Is it because it seems like appearance should be so clearly superficial that we'd never consider it? But on some level wouldn't that make it more hurtful to be told that you had no talent or a lame personality in assignment rush roles?

And I think that some folks have direct experience with groups with the wrong image closing, so that seems to kind of "justify" the experience of struggling chapters who are trying to improve their image, not that it justifies completely excluding members based on appearance, which as near as I can tell has never been justified in this thread.

[HawaiiTKE]

I can't imagine that happening. WOW. That sucks. =/

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by HawaiiTKE

I can't imagine that happening. WOW. That sucks. =/

Good Lord. This thread is 4 years old and the perp decided to comment.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

Good Lord. This thread is 4 years old and the perp decided to comment.

Wait, why's he a perp? I've not been following the Hawaii threads well.