Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

UGAalum94 · #1 06-30-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pialpha92

I have read this entire thread - I think my original post is around page 8...

I still maintain that this happening is not exclusive to struggling chapters. It is not exclusive to competitive campuses. It is not exclusive to the SEC. It happens far to often than I would probably care to know.

I think it is sad that it happens at all. You can come up with whatever justification you want for it happening, but that does not make it any more ok. It does not have to happen.

Most of the discussion seems to keep focusing on the poor struggling chapter at a competitive school that is trying to compete. What about when the not-struggling chapter does it too? They don't have the 'fat girls' reputation. They obviously like those member enough to have offered them a bid in the first place and allowed them to stay an active member. If the member is good enough to be in the chapter the entire rest of the year and no one has a problem with that - why suddenly are the too unsightly when it comes to recruitment?

This is different than they aren't a good rusher, can't sing or dance to be in the skit, etc. There are ways to assign those people to other areas without insulting them. Per the OP - this is where we are talking about a purely superficial rejection of someone based on physical appearance (whatever that may be).

That is something that I would never consider to be appropriate, either in the years that my chapter struggled or in the years that it didn't. Not everyone feels that way, but coming up with what you consider a 'good reason' for it does not make it any more right.

Can you give examples of what you mean by "rejection of someone based on physical appearance" within the group?

What I see happening in the thread is that to see what we expect to see, we are kind of misrepresenting what was said by others.

People acknowledging that "image matters in recruitment in the SEC" in any form, even the ones that you kind of said were alright as far as matching people with what they were best at, translates to blaming the fat people, for example.

So unless you can give examples of people being singled out for appearance at chapters at non-competitive recruitments, it's hard to know what you are really talking about.

Do you mean dress check? Or do you mean having a concrete example of a young woman being told to stay away from recruitment at a strong chapter at a non-competitive school, and you know personally that her only "weakness" was appearance?

Tom Earp · #2 06-30-2007, 02:51 PM

What a shame that this just keeps going on and on.

No matter what is said, it is not going to change things is it?

UGAalum94 · #3 06-30-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dream*a*dream

people... everyone has now passionately espoused virtuous viewpoints for 28 pages and so many members of the gc community have and continue to literally argue and beat this "hypothetical situation" to death. however, have any of you ever bothered to realize that the original poster has never posted a single thing since their first post? where is the original poster... and why have they never posted again... 28 pages later?

there are no details, just this vague reference to what is "supposed" to happen in a upcoming recruitment... to an unknown member... of an unknown sorority... at an unknown school. nascar has nothing on greekchat... you have literally taken a post and have run like crazy... this one may have broken all known records!

where are the facts, where are the details... is this situation even true? while it seems like a great topic from which to learn... all it has served is to get every single one of you in a "total dither" trying to argue and out-post each other. granted, the poster raised a valid point and this should never happen... but the original poster literally dumped this "hypotethical tragedy" and ran... never to be heard from again!

i keep wondering if the poster is not laughing him/herself to death as members of gc continue and continue to beat this issue to death! no one, not a single person who has posted in this debacle even knows if this is even remotely true. where are the facts? where is the proof? great way to get a heated argument going and then totally disappear. why are we continuing to beat this thing to death!?!?!? does a single one of you know that this was even true... let alone where it is alleged to be happening? goodness, people... do you know how this makes us look? presumed highly educated arguing with each other for pages... over a situation we do not even know that is true...

*sweet*dreams*

But people can have conversations about hypotheticals if they interest them. And if it doesn't, no one compels anyone else to read it.

And really, do you even want to have a conversation about how threads on GreekChat make us look? This wouldn't even be the right forum to start with if that were the issue.

kathykd2005 · #4 06-30-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

But people can have conversations about hypotheticals if they interest them. And if it doesn't, no one compels anyone else to read it.

And really, do you even want to have a conversation about how threads on GreekChat make us look? This wouldn't even be the right forum to start with if that were the issue.

Agreed.

NutBrnHair · #5 06-30-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

But people can have conversations about hypotheticals if they interest them. And if it doesn't, no one compels anyone else to read it.

And really, do you even want to have a conversation about how threads on GreekChat make us look? This wouldn't even be the right forum to start with if that were the issue.

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Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Agreed.

A point that could not have been made by any two better people...since together you've posted on this thread 136 times!!! LOL

"Move away from the computer."

kathykd2005 · #6 06-30-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

A point that could not have been made by any two better people...since together you've posted on this thread 136 times!!! LOL

"Move away from the computer."

That wasn't very nice.

NutBrnHair · #7 06-30-2007, 04:41 PM

Awww...I am sorry. I just have to agree with the opinion that the horse has already been beaten to death.

Please continue to post here -- I promise I'll be nice.

UGAalum94 · #8 06-30-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

A point that could not have been made by any two better people...since together you've posted on this thread 136 times!!! LOL

"Move away from the computer."

Aren't you free to move away from the computer as well?

kathykd2005 · #9 06-30-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

What's it to you?

Aren't you free to move away from the computer as well?

Ok let's all take a deep breath, this isn't recruitment

NutBrnHair · #10 06-30-2007, 04:47 PM

139

FSUZeta · #11 06-30-2007, 04:47 PM

"Move away from the computer."[/QUOTE] it was meant to be taken in jest. it was funny.

Tom Earp · #12 06-30-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dream*a*dream

goodness! while i was typing my post... i have now realized that i agreed with tom earp. i just agreed with tom earp!?!?!

he is right. he was concise and he was coherent! but... i just agreed with tom earp!?!?!

*sweet*dreams*

WOW, 14 total posts and You agree with me!

You are amazing!

This site has gotten over the top and is going no where other than calling FAT PEOPLE FAT and not acceptable as I get the take on it?

Being in a Fraternity and having a Fat Brother for one, He is now the PR Man for the NCCA of Collegete Sports.

Is He still pretty damn Cool? You bet!

In every bolimok (SIC) person is a fat person wanting to get out and vise versa!

FSUZeta · #13 06-30-2007, 06:39 PM

bulimic

UGAalum94 · #14 06-30-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

bulimic

Ahh.

pialpha92 · #15 06-30-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Can you give examples of what you mean by "rejection of someone based on physical appearance" within the group?

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People acknowledging that "image matters in recruitment in the SEC" in any form, even the ones that you kind of said were alright as far as matching people with what they were best at, translates to blaming the fat people, for example.

So unless you can give examples of people being singled out for appearance at chapters at non-competitive recruitments, it's hard to know what you are really talking about.

Do you mean dress check? Or do you mean having a concrete example of a young woman being told to stay away from recruitment at a strong chapter at a non-competitive school, and you know personally that her only "weakness" was appearance?

I'm not referring to dress check, and I fail to see how assigning people to duties they are best at translates into blaming the 'fat people'. I don't see where that even applies. That is a completely different issue. There is difference between showing everyone at there best and telling people they aren't fit too be seen at all because they are overweight.

"rejection of someone based on physical appearance" referred to the current discussion of asking the overweight person to stay away. I broadened it a little to include that person that also may be asked to stay away because of they aren't considered pretty enough, whatever.

If you want a specific example to prove that it happens - I've known it to happen at a "non-competitive" campus firsthand. A member from a chapter that was doing well,made quota every fall, had high GPA etc was asked to 'stay in the kitchen'. She had a great personality, carried herself well, was well liked by her sisters - but was very overweight in a chapter that did not have other overweight members. She was told that she should not come out of the kitchen during the parties. She knew members of the AOII chapter I was working with and they were shocked that anyone would treat a sister that way (as was I).

It was not a competitive campus, an SEC campus or even a very greek campus - but it still happened all the same.

Whether the OP was telling of a real situation or making something up to stir up discussion doesn't matter. It happens - if it didn't people wouldn't be going to so much trouble to justify it. I happen to not agree with it, others think it is fine. To each their own.