Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I just think it's interesting who politically can get away with holding certain views and advocating them in office and who can't. Palin got painted with a pretty broad brush for advocating things there's little evidence she used her offices to press for. Jindal doesn't and it intrigues me. What accounts for that? Jindal projecting higher IQ generally? Maybe.

I think the intelligence thing has a lot to do with it. I also don't think the McCain camp did Palin any favors in the way they presented her from the start of the campaign. She got off on the wrong foot and wasn't able to recover. I think that image will fade with time (after all, there are lots of people who forget the Dukakis campaign, i.e. the worst-run campaign ever).

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

The pork is my biggest issue with many of the laws coming out of DC, but I think that's a pretty widely held sentiment among Americans who care enough to look at the stuff.

And I think that most of us are too undisciplined to really be bothered when our communities benefit from federal money.

Am I really going to go protest my county taking more money for the local schools that might flow through the stimulus but isn't a legit federal function to me? Probably not.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You're right. I want to know who these people are. Although I'm sure she won't say. She seems to pick and choose which posts she will respond to.



Here’s a usual convo with deepimpact

deepimpact: “Blah blah blah blah blah”
mobster: “Yea, but that doesn’t make sense, because blah blah blah”
deepimpact: “Well maybe if you actually read what I said, you would know that I meant blah blah blah”

When in fact, all you have to do is say, “I’m sorry, what I meant to say was blah blah blah.”

Just like you, people react to things that are said. When EVERYONE who reads your posts interpret them the same way, then you might have misspoke. Because honestly, what do you think.. that everyone is PMing each other saying, “Hey, let’s pretend like we didn’t understand what deepimpact said, and let’s get snarky with her over a perfectly normal statement she made.”

Again this goes to that sense of entitlement I mentioned previously. Why should I apologize when it's not MY fault someone misread my post? On the flip side, why can't they say, "well DeepImpact, I'm not really sure I understand what you mean. Could you clarify the point you are trying to illustrate?" Why does it have to be, "what you are saying doesn't make sense. You're so stupid. What you said was so stupid. Oh these 1L's. blah blah blah."

And no I don't think people are pming each other. I think they just repeat what they see others saying instead of having independent thoughts. And some people deliberately misinterpret what I say. The fact that it was stated that I turned people off from my first thread indicates a certain prejudice towards anything I say.

With respect to your comment about me picking and choosing which posts I respond to, don't we all? None of respond to EVERY single post in a thread.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the intelligence thing has a lot to do with it. I also don't think the McCain camp did Palin any favors in the way they presented her from the start of the campaign. She got off on the wrong foot and wasn't able to recover. I think that image will fade with time (after all, there are lots of people who forget the Dukakis campaign, i.e. the worst-run campaign ever).

Was it how THEY presented her, or how she presented herself?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Was it how THEY presented her, or how she presented herself?

I think it's a mixture of both but the McCain campaign did hang her out to dry.

Ultimately, because they chose her as his running-mate, it was their responsibility to ensure that she was well prepared for every interview and that the toe the line as far as what to say and what not to say.

Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That last bitch-made remark is exactly why I don't fuck with you.

This is not me trying to outsnark you.

This is not me being irrational.

This is me thinking "DS is being stupid."

This is me saying "DS, you're being stupid."

The same as I would in real life. This does not prove your point.

Since when is a call for self-reflection stupid? You can't sit here and say you are perfect and have never gone too far around here.

But thanks for proving exactly what we have been saying.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Again this goes to that sense of entitlement I mentioned previously. Why should I apologize when it's not MY fault someone misread my post? On the flip side, why can't they say, "well DeepImpact, I'm not really sure I understand what you mean. Could you clarify the point you are trying to illustrate?" Why does it have to be, "what you are saying doesn't make sense. You're so stupid. What you said was so stupid. Oh these 1L's. blah blah blah."

And no I don't think people are pming each other. I think they just repeat what they see others saying instead of having independent thoughts. And some people deliberately misinterpret what I say. The fact that it was stated that I turned people off from my first thread indicates a certain prejudice towards anything I say.

With respect to your comment about me picking and choosing which posts I respond to, don't we all? None of respond to EVERY single post in a thread.

1.) How can someone ask for clarification when they don't know that they're misinterpreting a post?

2.) No one says, "What you are saying doesn't make sense." And no one has called you stupid, so don't even go there. Poeple simply react to what you say. You then get mad and drag things out, instead of simply saying, “I’m sorry, what I meant was...” Other people here do it, why can't you?

3.) You're now saying that we don't have independent thoughts, and everyone here just copies everyone else? I think you should have just admitted to believing that everyone is PMing each other.

4.) I just find it interesting that you choose to ignore the posts that you do.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the intelligence thing has a lot to do with it. I also don't think the McCain camp did Palin any favors in the way they presented her from the start of the campaign. She got off on the wrong foot and wasn't able to recover. I think that image will fade with time (after all, there are lots of people who forget the Dukakis campaign, i.e. the worst-run campaign ever).

I'm not trying to revive a discussion on Palin, honestly, especially now when it's not particularly topical. I will just be interested in seeing how issues that were used against her are de-emphasized with other candidates in 2012. I really don't expect her to be in it. I'll open that thread in summer of 2012.

I'm not trying to say that anyone who wants to talk about Palin can't, of course. I'm just not that interested in going down that path today.

Jindal came to mind with his consideration of turning down some of the stimulus money, and it's hard not to see that as a national stage move. He intrigues me. I won't have any problem that I know of voting for him if he ends up the GOP candidate and yes I kind of expect to vote for the GOP candidate. But his popularity with people who will claim to want to break with the evangelicals or loosen up on social issues is interesting. I don't know if you or Munchkin are in that camp or not.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

I think it's a mixture of both but the McCain campaign did hang her out to dry.

Ultimately, because they chose her as his running-mate, it was their responsibility to ensure that she was well prepared for every interview and that the toe the line as far as what to say and what not to say.

Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.

Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.

On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.

To get on my favorite horse, I'd chalk this up to the role the media played. Sure, Biden was old news or whatever KSigkid told me to explain it. But surely Cheney is too now, and I still read more about his nefarious schemes to get Libby a pardon than I do about Biden.

What's Joe been up to? Anyone know?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

But thanks for proving exactly what we have been saying.

This is funny, considering the mob mentality comment earlier.

*goes back to spectating*

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.

On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.

I don't think anyone really picks a VP as a true partner. They pick to complement strengths and weaknesses, but not for an equal run.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

1.)
2.) No one says, "What you are saying doesn't make sense." And no one has called you stupid, so don't even go there. Poeple simply react to what you say. You then get mad and drag things out, instead of simply saying, “I’m sorry, what I meant was...” Other people here do it, why can't you?


4.) I just find it interesting that you choose to ignore the posts that you do.

Didn't you say a previous post in the simulated conversation with me that someone will say that something I said doesn't make sense? Now you are saying that isn't the case? Which one is it? Make up your mind.


And again, no one on here responds to every post. It's not "ignoring." Sometimes people just don't feel like responding to certain posts.

Have you responded to EVERY single post in this thread? I hope you have based on your attitude about the matter.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.

On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.

Unfortunately it cost them votes. I was planning on voting for McCain before the hijinks that ensued after the GOP convention.

Not to say that went for all of his voters, however. Many voted for McCain because of Palin. Many voted for McCain in spite of Palin.

Regardless, there's another thread about this topic.

Ultimately, since the stimulus bill has passed, we'll have to wait and see what the effects are. I wouldn't call this the Great Depression, but who knows where we'll bottom out if we haven't already.

I do know it's ridiculously hard to find a job right now.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I don't think anyone really picks a VP as a true partner. They pick to complement strengths and weaknesses, but not for an equal run.

I mean someone who they expect to have an active role. Obama expects Biden to have an active role. I think the McCain campaign just wanted to use Palin to get to the White House and then I think they were going to try to keep her out of the way and shut her up, leaving her out of key decisions that would normally involve the VP.