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02-19-2009, 05:08 PM
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I think the intelligence thing has a lot to do with it. I also don't think the McCain camp did Palin any favors in the way they presented her from the start of the campaign. She got off on the wrong foot and wasn't able to recover. I think that image will fade with time (after all, there are lots of people who forget the Dukakis campaign, i.e. the worst-run campaign ever).
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Was it how THEY presented her, or how she presented herself?
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02-19-2009, 05:11 PM
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Was it how THEY presented her, or how she presented herself?
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I think it's a mixture of both but the McCain campaign did hang her out to dry.
Ultimately, because they chose her as his running-mate, it was their responsibility to ensure that she was well prepared for every interview and that the toe the line as far as what to say and what not to say.
Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.
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02-19-2009, 05:16 PM
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I think it's a mixture of both but the McCain campaign did hang her out to dry.
Ultimately, because they chose her as his running-mate, it was their responsibility to ensure that she was well prepared for every interview and that the toe the line as far as what to say and what not to say.
Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.
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Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.
On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.
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02-19-2009, 05:20 PM
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Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.
On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.
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I don't think anyone really picks a VP as a true partner. They pick to complement strengths and weaknesses, but not for an equal run.
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02-19-2009, 05:22 PM
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I don't think anyone really picks a VP as a true partner. They pick to complement strengths and weaknesses, but not for an equal run.
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I mean someone who they expect to have an active role. Obama expects Biden to have an active role. I think the McCain campaign just wanted to use Palin to get to the White House and then I think they were going to try to keep her out of the way and shut her up, leaving her out of key decisions that would normally involve the VP.
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02-19-2009, 05:29 PM
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I mean someone who they expect to have an active role. Obama expects Biden to have an active role. I think the McCain campaign just wanted to use Palin to get to the White House and then I think they were going to try to keep her out of the way and shut her up, leaving her out of key decisions that would normally involve the VP.
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Really? What is it?
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02-19-2009, 05:31 PM
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Really? What is it?
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I think Obama expects to have Biden's input on major decisions. Obama doesn't strike me as the type to just ignore his VP and leave him out in the cold the way I think McCain would have done Palin.
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02-19-2009, 05:21 PM
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Sometimes I get the feeling they prepped her but she ended up trying to do her own thing.
On what may be a random note, I actually felt sorry for Palin at times. Mind you I didn't care for her as a VP pick. What I didn't like about the way the McCain campaign handled her was that they never really meant for her to be a true partner. I think they wanted someone who was young and attractive and who would fade into the spotlight and not be in the way.
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Unfortunately it cost them votes. I was planning on voting for McCain before the hijinks that ensued after the GOP convention.
Not to say that went for all of his voters, however. Many voted for McCain because of Palin. Many voted for McCain in spite of Palin.
Regardless, there's another thread about this topic.
Ultimately, since the stimulus bill has passed, we'll have to wait and see what the effects are. I wouldn't call this the Great Depression, but who knows where we'll bottom out if we haven't already.
I do know it's ridiculously hard to find a job right now.
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02-19-2009, 05:27 PM
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Unfortunately it cost them votes. I was planning on voting for McCain before the hijinks that ensued after the GOP convention.
Not to say that went for all of his voters, however. Many voted for McCain because of Palin. Many voted for McCain in spite of Palin.
Regardless, there's another thread about this topic.
Ultimately, since the stimulus bill has passed, we'll have to wait and see what the effects are. I wouldn't call this the Great Depression, but who knows where we'll bottom out if we haven't already.
I do know it's ridiculously hard to find a job right now.
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It's interesting hearing your point of view on the matter. I know some people who were going to vote for McCain but changed their mind when Palin was selected. I can't even imagine what McCain must be feeling right now. I'm sure he's kicking himself. They picked Palin to get the female vote, Obama didn't do the same, and now he's the one in the White House.
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02-19-2009, 05:32 PM
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It's interesting hearing your point of view on the matter. I know some people who were going to vote for McCain but changed their mind when Palin was selected. I can't even imagine what McCain must be feeling right now. I'm sure he's kicking himself. They picked Palin to get the female vote, Obama didn't do the same, and now he's the one in the White House.
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If they picked her for the female vote they failed miserably.
It's debatable why he picked her. Many think it was an effort to consolidate the conservative republican base, since oftentimes McCain is characterized as too moderate or liberal. I would think this is more likely.
If that is the case then they didn't fail as miserably as they did if they picked her for the female vote.
After all, it's not like this was a landslide election for Obama. It was a pretty hard fought battle. So to say that Palin hurt McCain that badly would mean the same as saying that McCain would have had the election in the bag had he not picked Palin.
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that in my case, Palin tipped it. Not so for live-in, he was always an Obama supporter. Also not so for a lot of the people I know who would traditionally vote republican who voted for Obama this year.
My dad's been a republican for 40 years. This was his first time voting for a Democrat. I can tell you he didn't give a flying fig about Sarah Palin, or Joe Biden for that matter.
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02-19-2009, 05:39 PM
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If they picked her for the female vote they failed miserably.
It's debatable why he picked her. Many think it was an effort to consolidate the conservative republican base, since oftentimes McCain is characterized as too moderate or liberal. I would think this is more likely.
If that is the case then they didn't fail as miserably as they did if they picked her for the female vote.
After all, it's not like this was a landslide election for Obama. It was a pretty hard fought battle. So to say that Palin hurt McCain that badly would mean the same as saying that McCain would have had the election in the bag had he not picked Palin.
My dad's been a republican for 40 years. This was his first time voting for a Democrat. I can tell you he didn't give a flying fig about Sarah Palin, or Joe Biden for that matter.
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Many people speculated that he brought Palin on board as a way of pulling in the Hillary Clinton supporters once she did not win the nomination.
As much as I like Obama, deep down I think McCain would have won if he had chosen Mitt Romney, or even that other female Republican (sorry, can't remember her name right now..I think she may be a governor).
I'm curious though as to what made your dad change? I know you said he didn't give a flying fig about Palin...so was that his main reasoning?
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02-19-2009, 05:45 PM
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If they picked her for the female vote they failed miserably.
It's debatable why he picked her. Many think it was an effort to consolidate the conservative republican base, since oftentimes McCain is characterized as too moderate or liberal. I would think this is more likely.
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I think it's a combination of the two. People were operating under the mistaken assumption that McCain wasn't conservative, so the party was trying to fight that popular assumption...Palin was vocal enough on the socially conservative issues that the far-right base would embrace her.
If he was just looking for a woman, as I've said before on the board, I would have rather it had been Kay Hutchison. Her economic policies would have worked with the "base," but she probably would have been considered too liberal socially (as she's spoken out in favor of Roe, and to some people, the social discussion begins and ends with abortion). Plus, she's in her mid-to-late 60s, and I think McCain wanted someone more youthful on the ticket.
I disagreed with too many of Obama's policies to consider voting for him, but the Palin choice was extremely disappointing to me. I'm hoping that in the next 2 years (before mid-term elections) and next 4 years (before the Presidential election), the party is able to re-group.
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02-19-2009, 05:18 PM
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Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.
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To get on my favorite horse, I'd chalk this up to the role the media played. Sure, Biden was old news or whatever KSigkid told me to explain it. But surely Cheney is too now, and I still read more about his nefarious schemes to get Libby a pardon than I do about Biden.
What's Joe been up to? Anyone know?
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02-19-2009, 05:22 PM
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What's Joe been up to? Anyone know?
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He shows up on Pundit Kitchen like every other day.
The man needs to stop making crazy faces.
ETA:
Found Him. Apparently ordering penis-enlarging pills.
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02-19-2009, 06:15 PM
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I think it's a mixture of both but the McCain campaign did hang her out to dry.
Ultimately, because they chose her as his running-mate, it was their responsibility to ensure that she was well prepared for every interview and that the toe the line as far as what to say and what not to say.
Obama's people even had trouble with Biden, but it didn't seem like they had as much trouble as McCain's people.
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Prior planning prevents poor performance
I said this awhile ago about Palin, there were waaaay too many variables for that to have been an effective strategy for success on an already shaky platform
Now if Jindal is to be the next up in line for runing for president, the GOP has 4 years to see what he is doing now for LA, as well as vet him to see if he will be able to do what McCain wasn't able to do.
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I think you're probably at least partially right, but it seems like there was at least a little more strategy involved. This view ("bringin' in the womens" as it were) was popular speculation at the time, but as inept as McCain's camp was in the "small-picture" stuff, I'd be shocked if they made this poor of a "big-picture" maneuver - it seems much more likely that Palin was intended to motivate the base with someone who could play both "attack dog" and "snake charmer" while McCain reached across the aisle for moderates. Sort of a "good cop/bad cop" thing, with the added bonus that the bad cop would be what most "common" American males would consider attractive. Remember: attractiveness matters.
It seems like this plan was not so much ill-conceived as ill-executed, since Palin went absolutely balls-to-the-wall beyond what I think McCain envisioned (and the Newsweek piece seems to back this up). She got off the leash, as far as what the McCain camp expected.
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Again something else I stated a while back...don't forget PUMA.
I stated once before the was an "Oooh look at me, I got a girl" vibe from McCain when they brought in Palin and the way that it showed like the GOP didn't know her as well as they claimed that they did also was ANOTHER reason why the McCain camp faltered.
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