Indiana University 2014 Recruitment - Page 24

Titchou · #1 01-20-2014, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I know this is probably different for every group, but can a housing corp place any restrictions on the women who live in the house (i.e. can they say seniors have to live out)? Or do they not have that much power?

Generally speaking (with emphasis on the generally), the HC owns the house and leases it for a set cost to the chapter who, in turn, sets the rules for living in so that they can make the rent they have agreed to.

pinksequins · #2 01-20-2014, 09:54 PM

RhoMom -- they do. If as many women as you allege are unhappy with the process they can make it known to their Panhellenic delegates and alumnae. So, either the degree of dissatisfaction is overstated or it's another rationalization for not doing anything. I just keep reading lame excuses.

Rhomom · #3 01-20-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins

RhoMom -- they do. If as many women as you allege are unhappy with the process they can make it known to their Panhellenic delegates and alumnae. So, either the degree of dissatisfaction is overstated or it's another rationalization for not doing anything. I just keep reading lame excuses.

I "allege" nothing. This is simply the way it is. Actives HAVE expressed their concerns--to panhel, to nationals and they have worked with NPC. IU has opened up for expansion, many houses are allowing live outs and there are some small strides being made. It is however Panhel with direction from Nationals and alums who make the process decisions, not current members. If you are affiliated with an organization that allows current actives to drive the recruitment process, that is terrific, however it is not that simple. This is a complex system issue requiring a major shift in culture. The actives who feel this way today must continue to pursue change when they do have the power to impact things--as alumna.

33girl · #4 01-21-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhomom

It is however Panhel with direction from Nationals and alums who make the process decisions, not current members.

As gatordeltapgh stated above, Panhel (I don't know whether you mean the campus chapter or Panhel the national entity) doesn't have that kind of power. Panhel is like the company that owns the mall and the sororities are like stores in the mall. Just as the mall can't make Forever 21 stop selling skanky clothing, Panhel can't make the sororities vote for anything. Unless of course the reps from the chapters "go rogue" and just vote however they feel, and then, well, you get this.

IndianaSigKap · #5 01-21-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Just as the mall can't make Forever 21 stop selling skanky clothing, Panhel can't make the sororities vote for anything.

Hands down, my favorite quote of the past few days!! Amen.

midwesterner1 · #6 01-21-2014, 03:40 PM

My daughter told me that bids are announced at 7 p.m. tonight Eastern time??

She is a sophomore who did not get a bid when she rushed as a freshman.
We are both nervous for tonight!! Fortunately she says she will be "Ok" without a bid (as long as we pay for a super-nice apartment next year

), but she would "love" her 2nd choice sorority and it would be "amazing amazing" if she got her #1. (She only listed two of her three houses from 3 party).

pinksequins · #7 01-20-2014, 10:05 PM

Oh, the hyperbole. Will change your entire life? Please.

33girl · #8 01-20-2014, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins

Oh, the hyperbole. Will change your entire life? Please.

Put on your 18 year old brain, dear.

gatordeltapgh · #9 01-20-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhomom

The only people that can change this is panhel, individual nationals and NPC.

I've been reading and trying to stay out of the discussion. The only ones who can change this system is the individual chapters via vote at a Panhellenic meeting. NPC has been trying to get IU on board with the quota/total system for YEARS. YEARS! The biggest head honchos have tried and these women are past national presidents!

NPC can't force anyone's had because that is against the Unanimous Agreements and member groups sovereign rights. The Univ can't force the had technically due to freedom of association. They could apply pressure, but please let's not compare IU to Bama right now. The national HQ's have talked about the issue collectively and with the chapters. The feedback has been that the collegians don't want change. Maybe with the added disaster of the weather and an even more brutal recruitment, the community will begin to consider change. Bottom line is that the chapters have to want it and vote for the quota/total system.

In the real world if the "social leaders" support change it will happen easily. If not then the other chapters need to band together and get the discussion going. I'm not sure anyone will step up and that might be the most tragic thing of all.

arrowlady · #10 01-20-2014, 10:22 PM

As Panhellenic co-chair for my area I know personally girls at many different campuses. We have a number of girls at Bama and Arkansas, both schools with huge pledge classes. The thing about having an 85% + placement rate using RFM is that girls are dying to live in the house. These campuses have point systems based on grades, volunteer hours and participation. By encouraging these things you get well rounded young women.

Have all the girls from my area made it though the process and gotten bids at these schools.... no. The girls that do not have lower high school grades and not enough activities and we tell them to keep a very open mind as the will get tough cuts. Many do keep an open mind and find great sisterhoods.

My own daughter's chapter at Texas A&M has over 200 girls, while she doesn't know them all really well, she knows where everyone is from and a little about them. She loves her sisters and would be there for any of them. They manage to fit all the girls in the house for meetings, have date parties etc.

She is living in the house this year as a sophomore and will be in again next year as an exec officer. Most girls do one year in the house then move off campus. They treasure their year in the house but are happy to let the younger girls move in and have some freedom.

It is a travesty to say that campuses with larger quotas/chapters are not having a special experience.

33girl · #11 01-20-2014, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowlady

My own daughter's chapter at Texas A&M has over 200 girls, while she doesn't know them all really well, she knows where everyone is from and a little about them. She loves her sisters and would be there for any of them. They manage to fit all the girls in the house for meetings, have date parties etc.

It is a travesty to say that campuses with larger quotas/chapters are not having a special experience.

I think the girls who said that are getting way raked over the coals. Coming from a chapter of 50 and a small Greek system in general, I understand. I don't think anyone is saying that you can't find love and closeness and forever friendships in a 200+ chapter, but you are simply not going to know every single sister inside out like you do in a smaller chapter. It's not "better" or "worse" - it's just DIFFERENT. Would I have wanted to be in a chapter of 200 or even 100? 19 year old rushing me says no. Current day me would probably be fine with it. Believe me, we had Greeks who chafed at the smallness of our system, and I'm sure IU does too.

pinksequins · #12 01-20-2014, 10:16 PM

Still hyperbole -- affects their social life, sure.

Rhomom · #13 01-20-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pinksequins

RhoMom -- they do. If as many women as you allege are unhappy with the process they can make it known to their Panhellenic delegates and alumnae. So, either the degree of dissatisfaction is overstated or it's another rationalization for not doing anything. I just keep reading lame excuses.

I am not alleging this--it is reality. And, these women HAVE expressed their concerns--to nationals, to panhel, and they have worked with NPC. IU has opened up for expansion, and many chapters are allowing live-outs--small but significant steps. It is however, Panhel with direction from Nationals and alums who make the process decisions, not current members. If you are affiliated with an organization that allows current actives to drive the recruitment process, that is terrific, but it is not that simple. This is a complex system issue requiring a major shift in culture. Current actives must continue to focus on the process after they graduate. Alumna are heard, collegians, not so much.

arrowlady · #14 01-20-2014, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhomom

I am not alleging this--it is reality. And, these women HAVE expressed their concerns--to nationals, to panhel, and they have worked with NPC. IU has opened up for expansion, and many chapters are allowing live-outs--small but significant steps. It is however, Panhel with direction from Nationals and alums who make the process decisions, not current members. If you are affiliated with an organization that allows current actives to drive the recruitment process, that is terrific, but it is not that simple. This is a complex system issue requiring a major shift in culture. Current actives must continue to focus on the process after they graduate. Alumna are heard, collegians, not so much.

I would think the collegians would be the ones with the voice as they comprise the CPC. They would need buy in from the alumnae but they can drive the process.

33girl · #15 01-20-2014, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowlady

I would think the collegians would be the ones with the voice as they comprise the CPC. They would need buy in from the alumnae but they can drive the process.

They also need reassurance from TPTB that they're not going to get their charter yanked if the "growing pains" include numbers taking a sudden dip into the toilet.