Pastors and Politics

[SWTXBelle]

Hmmmm . . .my husband is an Anglican priest AND a political columnist. I will say, however, that his byline doesn't mention his religious work. It's just a case of his wearing two different hats - he also doesn't preach about politics. His sermons are based on the scripture reading for the day.
Anglicans have enough internal politics of their own to fuel the post-service discussions - issues, such as abortion, might be a topic, but not specific candidates.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

it's mostly Liberal and Democratic "pastors" who do this (just stating the facts).

Seriously? Billy Graham, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ring a bell?

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by kstar

Seriously? Billy Graham, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ring a bell?

Billy Graham? Really? You do realize that both of the Clintons have praised him and seen him as a spiritual advisor as have both Bush presidents, don't you?

[SWTXBelle]

Billy Graham really doesn't belong in that group. One thing I admire about him is his ability to rise above partisanship.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by kstar

Seriously? Billy Graham, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ring a bell?

Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I don't believe a religious leader should be talking about politics or endorsing certain candidates. This pisses me the f*ck off, and it's mostly Liberal and Democratic "pastors" who do this (just stating the facts).

No, you're not stating facts. It happens often enough on both sides of the church aisle.

Originally Posted by kstar

Seriously? Billy Graham, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson ring a bell?

As others have noted, Billy Graham has always been noted for not getting into politics or endorsing candidates. Nor do I recall Oral Roberts getting political or endorsing candidates -- saying God would take him if people didn't send money, yes; endorsing candidates, no.

As for Bob Jones, are you talking about Senior, Junior or III? Or did you know there have been three of them? Senior was indeed quite political active; Jr. not so much. III did denounce Reagan, write to W that he had been given a divine mandate and endorse Romney.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, you're not stating facts. It happens often enough on both sides of the church aisle.

As others have noted, Billy Graham has always been noted for not getting into politics or endorsing candidates. Nor do I recall Oral Roberts getting political or endorsing candidates -- saying God would take him if people didn't send money, yes; endorsing candidates, no.

As for Bob Jones, are you talking about Senior, Junior or III? Or did you know there have been three of them? Senior was indeed quite political active; Jr. not so much. III did denounce Reagan, write to W that he had been given a divine mandate and endorse Romney.

Oral Roberts University was actually recently near losing its tax exempt status because it was using university funds to support political candidates.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?

That's getting into something a little more nuanced than endorsing a candidate. The ROMAN Catholic church (which is the one I assume you mean) was simply following through on their church doctrine concerning their sacraments. It's not as though they made up some arbitrary rule just to punish those who supported a pro-abortion candidate.

I am not Roman Catholic, and I disagree with some of their conditions for communion, but the political aspect of enforcing those strictures is not as clear-cut as out and out recommending a candidate, or calling on members to NOT support a candidate.

It raises an interesting question - do y'all have a problem with churches delineating their doctrines during an election season? For example, pro-life parishes, or those who act as "sanctuary" parishes for illegal aliens, those against capital punishment, etc.? (I am reminded of the Unitarian church where my sister was married - they had a poster with their goals for the parish for the year. #1? Legalize marijuana. )

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Oral Roberts University was actually recently near losing its tax exempt status because it was using university funds to support political candidates.

But Oral hadn't been president of ORU since 1993. His son Richard was president when the tax-exemption issues came up, and that was part of what brought about Richard Robert's resignation and brought Oral Roberts ought of retirement to help run the university again.

Saying that ORU or Richard Roberts was endorsing candidates =/= Oral Robers endorsing candidates.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Hmmmm . . .my husband is an Anglican priest AND a political columnist. I will say, however, that his byline doesn't mention his religious work. It's just a case of his wearing two different hats - he also doesn't preach about politics. His sermons are based on the scripture reading for the day.
Anglicans have enough internal politics of their own to fuel the post-service discussions - issues, such as abortion, might be a topic, but not specific candidates.

I would have no problem with what your husband is doing. My problem is when the person steps onto the pulpit and says "Vote for XYZ Candidate."

When I was an active church member at my church in Boston, I had several political conversations with the leaders of the church; they were intelligent and thoughtful people and always had something interesting to say. If they had stepped up to the lectern and preached those beliefs to the church members, that's where I would have drawn the line.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?

I don't think that this stopped anyone who voted for Kerry (including Kerry himself) from taking Communion. I haven't been turned away yet.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

That's getting into something a little more nuanced than endorsing a candidate. The ROMAN Catholic church (which is the one I assume you mean) was simply following through on their church doctrine concerning their sacraments. It's not as though they made up some arbitrary rule just to punish those who supported a pro-abortion candidate.

I am not Roman Catholic, and I disagree with some of their conditions for communion, but the political aspect of enforcing those strictures is not as clear-cut as out and out recommending a candidate, or calling on members to NOT support a candidate.

It raises an interesting question - do y'all have a problem with churches delineating their doctrines during an election season? For example, pro-life parishes, or those who act as "sanctuary" parishes for illegal aliens, those against capital punishment, etc.? (I am reminded of the Unitarian church where my sister was married - they had a poster with their goals for the parish for the year. #1? Legalize marijuana. )

I have no problem with this. When I was in law school I went to a very politically active church. I think these are policy aims rather than a direct endorsement.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I would have no problem with what your husband is doing. My problem is when the person steps onto the pulpit and says "Vote for XYZ Candidate."

When I was an active church member at my church in Boston, I had several political conversations with the leaders of the church; they were intelligent and thoughtful people and always had something interesting to say. If they had stepped up to the lectern and preached those beliefs to the church members, that's where I would have drawn the line.

Totally agree with you. I've been dating a pastor's kid for a long time now and it's absurd to think that priests/pastors/rabbis don't have political views at all. I think most people who have read the Bible have their political views influenced by it so I can only imagine what it would do to someone whose life revolves around the book. My problem is when religious leaders exhort their congregations to vote for someone. If a parishioner asked their priest who they were voting for and the priest answered, that wouldn't even bother me, but I certainly don't want to hear a homily about why I must vote for a candidate.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Billy Graham really doesn't belong in that group. One thing I admire about him is his ability to rise above partisanship.

Billy Graham came out for Vietnam and the Gulf War, to me that is encouraging people to vote for candidates that support those. He also supposedly became friends with Kim Jong Il, and called him a "different kind of communitst." To me- a very political move.

[Kevlar281]

I’ve never heard an endorsement of a candidate in all the years I’ve been going to my church. I wonder if that has more to do with my denomination or the fact that I don’t live in a battleground state.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?

Huh. Oh well. I guess this means I'm not being saved.

[CrackerBarrel]

As a Baptist, we hear about the abortion issue a lot (doesn't matter to me, but it does to most of my church). I've never heard our pastor endorse a specific candidate or policy though, it's enough that most of my church is going to vote for a pro-life candidate without having to be told to do so.