Fox gives less attention to Iraq war study shows

[OneTimeSBX]

ok...apparently i have offended a few people on here, and for that i am sorry you feel the way you do. i am looking at this from probably a more emotional POV than others are. i have family and friends in this war. i was blessed to have some of them return safely, and then go BACK and come home injured. and then this same goverment is not taking care of our injured troops the way it should be and that is a FACT.

IMO, if you voted to KEEP GW in the white house the 2nd time around, and you knew what he was capable of, you are part of the problem. If you are not doing or have not done anything within your reach to bring these men and women back home, you are partly (not 100%) responsible for whatever happens. i will cut slack for anyone who voted for GW the first time, because nobody knew what was going to happen. but the 2nd time around?? i dont think so.

i get mentally exhausted looking at obit after obit of these children being sent home in wooden boxes. as a mother it breaks my heart to see someone bury their child. that is pretty much my angle with things.

eta: i am not worthless. my vote counted as much as yours did in that election...

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

ok...apparently i have offended a few people on here, and for that i am sorry you feel the way you do. i am looking at this from probably a more emotional POV than others are. i have family and friends in this war. i was blessed to have some of them return safely, and then go BACK and come home injured. and then this same goverment is not taking care of our injured troops the way it should be and that is a FACT.

IMO, if you voted to KEEP GW in the white house the 2nd time around, and you knew what he was capable of, you are part of the problem. If you are not doing or have not done anything within your reach to bring these men and women back home, you are partly (not 100%) responsible for whatever happens. i will cut slack for anyone who voted for GW the first time, because nobody knew what was going to happen. but the 2nd time around?? i dont think so.

i get mentally exhausted looking at obit after obit of these children being sent home in wooden boxes. as a mother it breaks my heart to see someone bury their child. that is pretty much my angle with things.

eta: i am not worthless. my vote counted as much as yours did in that election...

Many of us have friends and family who are serving/have served in Iraq. Most of my views on the war are influenced by the soldiers I know.

Many (if not most) soldiers and many (if not most) military families support our mission in Iraq. Just because you think its pointless doesn't mean they do and that we should.

People disagree about the war, thats fine. However when you refer to Bush in that manner (that we "knew what he was capable of"), you lose legitimacy. He's someone who acted on the information he had at the time, fighting a war like we've never fought before. Prone to mistake, sure, but implying he's evil or something is just ridiculous.

[OneTimeSBX]

what can i say? im a natural lover and not a fighter. i support the TROOPS, not the war. i send letters, care packages, post cards, anything to boost their morale, because lets face it, some of them arent coming home. and anything that kills thousands of young people (dui, drugs, violence in schools, etc.) needs to be addressed.

i may also be around a different group of soldiers as well, of the 5 i know who are home now, all of them felt the war was unneccesary. i guess none of us who are here comfortable in the US will know as well as they do...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

what can i say? im a natural lover and not a fighter. i support the TROOPS, not the war. i send letters, care packages, post cards, anything to boost their morale, because lets face it, some of them arent coming home. and anything that kills thousands of young people (dui, drugs, violence in schools, etc.) needs to be addressed.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I personally find it difficult to believe that you could be supportive of the troops but against them being successful in their mission. I

i may also be around a different group of soldiers as well, of the 5 i know who are home now, all of them felt the war was unneccesary. i guess none of us who are here comfortable in the US will know as well as they do...

Just because I've been to Europe a few times doesn't make me an expert on US-EU relations.

[OneTimeSBX]

^^^if them being "successful" means they will make it home safe, then so be it. i will support whatever gets my family and friends home in one working piece...dont get support mixed up with AGREE WITH though...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

ok...apparently i have offended a few people on here, and for that i am sorry you feel the way you do. i am looking at this from probably a more emotional POV than others are. i have family and friends in this war. i was blessed to have some of them return safely, and then go BACK and come home injured. and then this same goverment is not taking care of our injured troops the way it should be and that is a FACT.

On the one hand, while I'm thankful for these soldiers fighting for their country, I'm not really sorry they get injured or killed. Our armed services are all-volunteer. A person in the military knows or should reasonably know that by signing on that dotted line, they're putting themselves in harm's way.

As far as not taking care of our injured troops "the way it should be," I'm not sure what you mean. Military medicine is better today than it has ever been. Does it perhaps have a long way to go? Yep. I do think that for the most part, they do a decent job.

IMO, if you voted to KEEP GW in the white house the 2nd time around, and you knew what he was capable of, you are part of the problem. If you are not doing or have not done anything within your reach to bring these men and women back home, you are partly (not 100%) responsible for whatever happens. i will cut slack for anyone who voted for GW the first time, because nobody knew what was going to happen. but the 2nd time around?? i dont think so.;

How about the Demos who voted to make Kerry the Democrat nominee? If y'all had actually put forward a candidate who was worth a crap, maybe things would be different. I voted for GW -- twice.. and if Kerry were the alternative today, even though I'm not thrilled with Bush, I'd still vote for Bush.

i get mentally exhausted looking at obit after obit of these children being sent home in wooden boxes. as a mother it breaks my heart to see someone bury their child. that is pretty much my angle with things.

Whatever... you join the military, death is a possibility. It's not all summer camps and learning new job skills.

eta: i am not worthless. my vote counted as much as yours did in that election...

Did you vote for Kerry in the primary? Lieberman, Dean or Edwards would have probably fared far better against Bush than Kerry did.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

ok...apparently i have offended a few people on here, and for that i am sorry you feel the way you do. i am looking at this from probably a more emotional POV than others are. i have family and friends in this war. i was blessed to have some of them return safely, and then go BACK and come home injured. and then this same goverment is not taking care of our injured troops the way it should be and that is a FACT.

I have two very close family members that served in the Special Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would have absolutely loved for you to have come up to me or my aunts and uncles and told all of us that we effectively killed our cousins/sons because we voted for Bush. I can't think of a more heinous thing to say to someone. Frankly, you should be embarassed....especially considering the fact that you are a mother with children.

As for government aid for injured troops.....it appears to me that the Pentagon is slowly but surely improving upon their ways to increase aid to the injured, so I'll leave that alone. Those men deserve the best, no doubt.

IMO, if you voted to KEEP GW in the white house the 2nd time around, and you knew what he was capable of, you are part of the problem. If you are not doing or have not done anything within your reach to bring these men and women back home, you are partly (not 100%) responsible for whatever happens. i will cut slack for anyone who voted for GW the first time, because nobody knew what was going to happen. but the 2nd time around?? i dont think so.

Well apparently the majority of America is "part of the problem" then because that is exactly who voted him into office "the 2nd time around" (first time a majority popular vote has occurred since 1988). Frankly, I had no idea in 2003/2004 what was going to happen in Iraq. I'm pretty certain that I hadn't learned how to predict the future just yet. I am certain though that, at the time, I was very impressed by the fact that we managed to bring down the Iraqi Government, its military, and secure its oil infrastructure with minimal damage in a reasonably short amount of time. Evidently quite a few people felt the same way because he was riding close to a 70% approval rating going into the 2004 Elections, if I remember correctly.

Let me ask you this......what have you done that is so incredibly special that you are free from any blame or "responsibility" for whatever happens in Iraq? Please don't say, "well I didn't vote for Bush"...because that is an extraordinary cop-out. Seriously though, what have you done? Are you standing on the Capitol steps day in and day out demanding that the government bring our troops home? Are you traveling to Iraq and personally taking people back home with you? Really, I'd like to know....because I sure as hell hope you have done something special enough that allows you to place blame and "responsibility" on others. As for me, I pray for our troops, for their safe return, and that the conflict will be resolved in a manner that will benefit all sides....hopefully sooner than later. If that isn't enough for you, I don't really give a damn.....but guess what......those guys aren't coming home until the powers that be feel that it is absolutely necessary.

In all honesty though, when it really comes down to it........maybe y'all should have put up a better opponent than John Kerry. If the same two men were up against each again this coming election.......I'd still vote for Bush. I think many, many people would willingly share the same sentiments.

i get mentally exhausted looking at obit after obit of these children being sent home in wooden boxes. as a mother it breaks my heart to see someone bury their child. that is pretty much my angle with things.

eta: i am not worthless. my vote counted as much as yours did in that election.....

[OneTimeSBX]

pray tell, Macallen...whose fault is it then?

@kevin, i dont have to agree with what the troops are overseas doing, positive or negative, every single one deserves to come home safe. if they were overseas rebuilding after a natural disaster, i want them home safe. if they were overseas killing innocent people, i want them home safe. its not contradictory.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

pray tell, Macallen...whose fault is it then?

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter, which is "who can I blame for this." For starters, you can blame Iraq for violating numerous UN resolutions. You can blame the UN for not taking affirmative action. You can blame various intelligence agencies around the globe which reached the same conclusions. You can blame the huge majority of American people who supported the war, and the majority of legislators who voted for it. You can blame the administration for listening to these sources, and not having the foresight to anticipate what has happened. You can can blame the other countries who were originally involved, and you can blame the military personnel who made the decision to join the armed forces.

All of this, however, accomplishes nothing.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

pray tell, Macallen...whose fault is it then?

durrrrrrrrrrrrr if you think somebody has done something 'wrong', why wouldn't you blame that person?

Laying blame at the feet of the 'enablers' (who in this case had no foresight nor real control over the situation) is just as shady as blaming people who did not actively prevent a situation.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

pray tell, Macallen...whose fault is it then?

I don't know who's fault it is......and frankly, I'm not sure anyone does. You could list a boat load of people who could be found at fault. Voters, Congressmen, the UN Security Council, the Iraqi government, the CIA, foreign intelligence agencies, other foreign governments, etc. etc. (basically everyone that Shinerbock mentioned).

What I do know is that presenting an argument/belief in which you claim that the Republican party and the voters who elected George W. Bush are solely responsible for the diminishing situation in Iraq and the death of thousands of American Soldiers is, not only baseless, but appears to be nothing more than an easy way out for uninformed Liberals looking to attack Conservatives.

Speaking of responsibility.....again, I ask you what you have done? Haha, can you not answer my question from the last post? You are so quick to tell me who is "part of the problem" and who is to blame.....but when I turn it around on you......you side step it like it was a land mine.

@kevin, i dont have to agree with what the troops are overseas doing, positive or negative, every single one deserves to come home safe. if they were overseas rebuilding after a natural disaster, i want them home safe. if they were overseas killing innocent people, i want them home safe. its not contradictory.

Well, usually when you support someone.....you support whatever it is that they are involved in.

[Rudey]

Many supported the war. Many did not support the way it was carried out. Many also do not support the fact that we are providing charity and suffering for it.

I think that's the Christian thing to do - get slapped on one cheek and offer the other for a good slap. I'd seriously re-think that philosophy, but hey I leave that to you guys.

As for the actual topic of this thread, it's an irrelevant statement isn't it? Does CNN provide a lot of coverage on positive events (as limited as they may be) in Iraq? No. Does that indicate perhaps that they're against success in Iraq?

-Rudey