Fox gives less attention to Iraq war study shows

macallan25 · #1 06-12-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

hey Daemon!

if i am correct, CNN and MSNBC are more liberal stations, while FOX is considered conservative. lets face it, the conservatives voted for Bush, who in turn started the war, and majorly screwed everything up. so if you voted him into office, why fill your evening being bombarded with the site of countless soldiers you helped to kill?

i didnt vote for him. i stood an hour and a half in a line to vote OPPOSITE him. so i make it my business to keep myself educated as to how many soldiers i tried to bring home, and pray for my family and friends who are still there...GO CNN AND MSNBC!! Hurray for the TRUTH!

Wow, what an appalling, and idiotic post on so many levels. So the conservatives (Bush) started the war? It wasn't those guys that orchestrated the largest civilian attack in US history? Yeah, that makes sense, dumbass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't an overwhelming majority of Congress approve of Bush sending troops to Afghanistan?.....and didn't the Senate vote around 77-23 and the House around 296-133 to attack Iraq in 2002??

Furthermore, I voted for Bush....and I am absolutely shocked that you would even think to claim the me, and people that did the same, HELPED kill our soldiers? How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

Tom Earp · #2 06-12-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, what an appalling, and idiotic post on so many levels. So the conservatives (Bush) started the war? It wasn't those guys that orchestrated the largest civilian attack in US history? Yeah, that makes sense, dumbass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't an overwhelming majority of Congress approve of Bush sending troops to Afghanistan?.....and didn't the Senate vote around 77-23 and the House around 296-133 to attack Iraq in 2002??

Furthermore, I voted for Bush....and I am absolutely shocked that you would even think to claim the me, and people that did the same, HELPED kill our soldiers? How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

I could not agree with you more on so may levels!

These men and women are giving their lives to protect what could happen to us as Americans ergo 9/11! Who were these people who died and the many innocent people from bombs in Iraq.

Yes, I had to vote for Bush, why? All one had to do was look at Kerry!

If we pull out the troops now, waht does one think will happen not only in Iraq, but the whole middle east and then the rest of teh world!

AlphaFrog · #3 06-12-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

I'm pretty moderate (ban abortion, ban guns, don't care either way if gay people get married), but I love this statement.

PiKA2001 · #4 06-12-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I'm pretty moderate (ban abortion, ban guns, don't care either way if gay people get married), but I love this statement.

I don't understand why people want to ban guns...Just take a look at D.C. and tell me it would honestly reduce crime. As for Fox News, the only channel I get at work so I watch it daily, IMO is just a very small step up from E! News.

DeltAlum · #5 06-12-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, what an appalling, and idiotic post on so many levels. So the conservatives (Bush) started the war? It wasn't those guys that orchestrated the largest civilian attack in US history? Yeah, that makes sense, dumbass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't an overwhelming majority of Congress approve of Bush sending troops to Afghanistan?.....and didn't the Senate vote around 77-23 and the House around 296-133 to attack Iraq in 2002??

Furthermore, I voted for Bush....and I am absolutely shocked that you would even think to claim the me, and people that did the same, HELPED kill our soldiers? How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

Mac,

First, is there any chance you will ever clean up your language, stop your personal attacks and stop violating the Terms of Service?

You have read them, right? You had to agree to become a member.

You're a bright guy, you should be able to make a valid point without vulgarity.

KSigkid · #6 06-12-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Mac,

First, is there any chance you will ever clean up your language, stop your personal attacks and stop violating the Terms of Service?

You have read them, right? You had to agree to become a member.

You're a bright guy, you should be able to make a valid point without vulgarity.

Point taken on the vulgarity, but I'd argue that maybe OneTimeSBX's comment was worse. Vulgarity is frowned upon and all, but saying that if you voted for Bush, you were responsible for the deaths of troops, is pretty awful stuff.

I believe the exact quote was "so if you voted him into office, why fill your evening being bombarded with the site of countless soldiers you helped to kill?" While it might not be exactly in the TOS, statements such as that should probably be restrained as well.

DeltAlum · #7 06-12-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Point taken on the vulgarity, but I'd argue that maybe OneTimeSBX's comment was worse.

That may be, but I'm not commenting on the argument in this case, just the TOS violations.

Appreciate the comment, though.

KSigkid · #8 06-12-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

That may be, but I'm not commenting on the argument in this case, just the TOS violations.

Appreciate the comment, though.

You're welcome, always glad to be of service.

I will request, though, that if the moderators see fit to erase Macallan's statement, that they do the same to OneTimeSBX's as well.

macallan25 · #9 06-13-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Mac,

First, is there any chance you will ever clean up your language, stop your personal attacks and stop violating the Terms of Service?

You have read them, right? You had to agree to become a member.

You're a bright guy, you should be able to make a valid point without vulgarity.

You know what? No buddy, I won't. I find that post ridiculously offensive and extremely uncalled for. Sweet God, can we go one day without someone exhibiting 8th level nerd tendencies by bitching about TOS "violations"? What's next, are you going to start calling for e-tickets and fines? This is an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD......chill out.

You're a bright guy Delt, perhaps you should remove your head from that pile of sand it's buried in and realize why I commented the way I did in the first place. I don't especially appreciate being legitimately told that I helped cause the death of United States soldiers because I voted Republican. Frankly, I feel perfectly entitled to respond to that kind of nonsense in whatever manner I damn well choose.

If the moderators want to delete my post.......then so be it..........but they better delete that horse shit of comment as well.

DeltAlum · #10 06-13-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

You know what? No buddy, I won't. I find that post ridiculously offensive and extremely uncalled for. Sweet God, can we go one day without someone exhibiting 8th level nerd tendencies by bitching about TOS "violations"? What's next, are you going to start calling for e-tickets and fines? This is an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD......chill out.

I'll stand by my comment.

macallan25 · #11 06-13-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I'll stand by my comment.

Get over yourself.

Kevin · #12 06-12-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, what an appalling, and idiotic post on so many levels. So the conservatives (Bush) started the war? It wasn't those guys that orchestrated the largest civilian attack in US history? Yeah, that makes sense, dumbass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't an overwhelming majority of Congress approve of Bush sending troops to Afghanistan?.....and didn't the Senate vote around 77-23 and the House around 296-133 to attack Iraq in 2002??

Furthermore, I voted for Bush....and I am absolutely shocked that you would even think to claim the me, and people that did the same, HELPED kill our soldiers? How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

Exalt.

RACooper · #13 06-13-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, what an appalling, and idiotic post on so many levels. So the conservatives (Bush) started the war? It wasn't those guys that orchestrated the largest civilian attack in US history? Yeah, that makes sense, dumbass.

Sorry macallan while the rest of your post has some valid points, you're dead wrong here given the context of the post. Did the Conservatives/Republicans (Bush) start the 'War on Terror'. No. Did they start the War in Iraq (which the thread is about). Yes. The former was in response to an attack (9/11) while the later was pre-emptive.

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Furthermore, I voted for Bush....and I am absolutely shocked that you would even think to claim the me, and people that did the same, HELPED kill our soldiers? How fucking dare you say that you worthless, liberal, tree hugging piece of shit.

Fine then I'll say it too... because of your political support for an illegal war, and the continued political support for the administration that completely dropped the ball in the war planning, peace, and reconstruction, you share in some small part the responsibility for these soldier's deaths - it's the nature of living in a democracy/republic that the people give the government the poltical power, and if that government does good or bad the public shares in the prasie or blame.

KSig RC · #14 06-13-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

Fine then I'll say it too... because of your political support for an illegal war, and the continued political support for the administration that completely dropped the ball in the war planning, peace, and reconstruction, you share in some small part the responsibility for these soldier's deaths - it's the nature of living in a democracy/republic that the people give the government the poltical power, and if that government does good or bad the public shares in the prasie or blame.

I think you'll agree that each 'step' away from the actual decision in the democratic process reduces 'responsibility' by a large degree, correct?

Because you missed a few steps (notably, it seems much more correct that the administration "dropping the ball" leads to the soldiers being put into a particular situation, then that situation may or may not result in injury).

Representative democracy, furthermore, should really assuage any of these concerns. "Responsibility" carries a connotation that is likely incorrect here, whereas its denotation might carry some small weight in your argument as posed.

macallan25 · #15 06-13-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

Sorry macallan while the rest of your post has some valid points, you're dead wrong here given the context of the post. Did the Conservatives/Republicans (Bush) start the 'War on Terror'. No. Did they start the War in Iraq (which the thread is about). Yes. The former was in response to an attack (9/11) while the later was pre-emptive.

Yeah, true, the thread wasn't about Afghanistan........but I'm not sure what I was wrong about concerning the Iraq War Resolution. The main opposition from the Democrats came in the House (296-133 total), but the Senate vote was fairly one-sided (77-23 total, Dems were 29-21 in favor). So I think it is not exactly accurate to say that Bush and the Conservatives were solely responsible for starting the Iraq War. Bush can not just go start wars.

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Fine then I'll say it too... because of your political support for an illegal war, and the continued political support for the administration that completely dropped the ball in the war planning, peace, and reconstruction, you share in some small part the responsibility for these soldier's deaths - it's the nature of living in a democracy/republic that the people give the government the poltical power, and if that government does good or bad the public shares in the prasie or blame.

Sorry, but that logic is pretty much crap......plain and simple. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. How about the people that initially voted for the Bush Administration but don't support the war? Are they free and clear of "responsibility" now because they are against it? How about people that don't support the war now but were one out of the nearly 80% of Americans that initially fully supported our actions in Iraq? Are they out of the dog house too?

As for the war being illegal.....I think that is highly debatable just from what I have read. I am not an expert on International Law , but if you consider all three bases for the use of force I'm not sure that it is illegal at all. I'm fairly sure that the UN charter guarantees the right of each members to self defense, including preemptive self defense....and I think the actions taken after Resolution 1441 are highly debatable as well pertaining to legality.