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AlphaFrog · #1 05-27-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

This is GENUIS! Was this option discussed with PNMs at your school or was it just not against the rules?

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

DeltaBetaBaby · #2 05-28-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

When I was filling out my bid card, I put ASA #1, but then the other house I didn't really want, so I asked if I could put somewhere where I got cut round 1, and they said I could. I picked a house I didn't think I'd mind being in, just in case...

So if you weren't on ASA's bid list, you would have been just fine accepting COB from them the next day?

bruinaphi · #3 05-28-2007, 08:19 PM

Carnation, good luck! I can't believe it's that time again.

Sorry to get on my soapbox in your new recruitment thread, but I think it's important to clear up the misinformation in the post by Alpha Frog.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Myth #4 - You should never, ever suicide.

If you get to that place, and you KNOW you will only be happy at ONE of the houses you preffed, and you KNOW in your heart of hearts that you will not be able to even give another house a fair shot, go ahead and suicide. Or, even better, if you have the option (we did), put your #1, and then a house that cut you Round 1, as you obviously won't be on their bid list. That way, you'll still have the option to accept a snap bid, or COR.

While Alpha Frog is correct that you should never ever list a house on your MRABA if you will not give them a fair shot, it is important to understand that listing a house where you did not attend preference does not meet the definition of maximizing your options as a PNM and I believe the current MRABA strictly precludes it as an option. This means that you will not be matched as a Quota Addition under the RFM (only maximizing PNMs are eligible to be QAs), though you would be eligible for snap bidding or COB (of course even those who ISC (also known as "suicide") and don't match are eligible for snap bidding or COB).

Also, just as an FYI, most campuses set up their recruitment management software options so that the software only shows the chapters attended for preference.

SoCalGirl · #4 05-28-2007, 08:25 PM

When I was in school I always found it interesting that guys would tell girls a myriad of reasons why they shouldn't pledge us but would also say that we were the chapter they would want their sister to join!

DeltaBetaBaby · #5 05-28-2007, 08:28 PM

Here's another thing: when you get into situations like the ones bruinaphi is describing, your Rho Chi will NOT know the rules in many cases. I would guess that only about 2% of collegiate members fully undersand bid matching, the green book, and campus rules, and they are the presidents and rush chairs, not the rho chis. If you want to be sure you will be eligible for snap bids and COB, talk to your Greek Life office, or better yet, e-mail them so that you later have it in writing.

dgdramadawg · #6 05-28-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Here's another thing: when you get into situations like the ones bruinaphi is describing, your Rho Chi will NOT know the rules in many cases. I would guess that only about 2% of collegiate members fully undersand bid matching, the green book, and campus rules, and they are the presidents and rush chairs, not the rho chis. If you want to be sure you will be eligible for snap bids and COB, talk to your Greek Life office, or better yet, e-mail them so that you later have it in writing.

I wasn't a rho chi, so I don't know, but wouldn't that be part of their training? I would think it would be ultra-important for them to understand fully the implications of the advice they give.

FSUZeta · #7 05-28-2007, 08:36 PM

yes. when in doubt check with your greeklife office!!

my daughter asked me today if she would be violating any rules if she wore her sorority t-shirts to class during the summer session she is enrolled in. i told her that the best advice i could give her was to look up the rules on line and if she is doesn't feel that she has the answer then she must call the greek life office to get the definative answer. don't earn a rush infraction for your sorority just because you did not know something.

AOII Angel · #8 05-27-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Myth #4: You will be happy if you join a sorority that everyone considers the most popular on campus.

I can't tell you how many girls I know who drop out of sororities that are supposedly the "popular ones" because they aren't happy. Joining a sorority because "it's the one everyone liked during rush" is not smart. You're supposed to make choices based on what you like, not everyone else. If you go back to groups or cut groups based on what other girls like, you could find yourself in a sorority that you don't really like.

Maybe these girls would have been happier if they'd been told ahead of time that if you don't wear the right shoes or carry the proper LV purse then you'll be ostracized, that way they could save up all their money for the right clothes along with the atrociously high dues! These girls have this idea that joining the rich girl group will suddenly make them happy. My opinion on these top tier, old south groups is that they are filled with MRS. seeking, junior leaguers who are more concerned about their future husbands' careers than their own. This may actually be why girls quit...they realized that they want more in life than that! I'd take a bottom tier group filled with ambitious women who want to enrich their own minds and define themselves by their own works not their husbands over a top tier group any day.

carnation · #9 05-27-2007, 06:32 PM

Well, one thing that spurred me to start this thread was that today I got an im from a mom--she's not Greek but her older daughter has been a sorority alum for a year--and she said, "Ashley will be going to ___ University and pledging ABC like her sister did."

I hope she's not counting 100% on that. I hate, hate, hate seeing girls get hurt in recruitment.

KSUViolet06 · #10 05-27-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Maybe these girls would have been happier if they'd been told ahead of time that if you don't wear the right shoes or carry the proper LV purse then you'll be ostracized, that way they could save up all their money for the right clothes along with the atrociously high dues! These girls have this idea that joining the rich girl group will suddenly make them happy. My opinion on these top tier, old south groups is that they are filled with MRS. seeking, junior leaguers who are more concerned about their future husbands' careers than their own. This may actually be why girls quit...they realized that they want more in life than that! I'd take a bottom tier group filled with ambitious women who want to enrich their own minds and define themselves by their own works not their husbands over a top tier group any day.

To clarify, I was not insulting those chapters who might be the "top tier" groups on their campus. It's great to have alot of girls who want to join. I was just cautioning PNMs against joining groups based on what their friends like.

AOII Angel · #11 05-27-2007, 06:45 PM

KSUViolet....excuse me for sounding mean....I've just spent an hour reading old posts about Top Tier groups after reading BamaDad's recent thread. I just found one from UT that summed up Top Tier groups in big southern schools very succinctly. (Though the article was written to brag on these groups, it just made them sound shallow and silly.) I'm sure every NPC has a chapter like that out there, but that kind of mentality amazes me! Not to mention, having grown up in the deep south, I'm so sick and tired of reading about these "old families" who are made up of people who have never done anything personally to merit a second look. I'm sure some of these girls are great, but having the right rolex, the right haircut and a daddy who controls a Fortune 500 company does not mean you're going to be worthwhile.
Also, I do know girls who joined top tier groups at LSU. They were told how to dress, sent back to their rooms because they were wearing the wrong color shoes and many other snobby things. That's the truth about top tier....it's not always pretty!

dgdramadawg · #12 05-27-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Also, I do know girls who joined top tier groups at LSU. They were told how to dress, sent back to their rooms because they were wearing the wrong color shoes and many other snobby things. That's the truth about top tier....it's not always pretty!

Well, during recruitment, if your shoes don't match your dress (and match what you're supposed to be wearing for the round) you're going to be sent upstairs to fix the situation. That's not just top tier, and it's not just LSU.

Denise_DPhiE · #13 06-11-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

My opinion on these top tier, old south groups is that they are filled with MRS. seeking, junior leaguers who are more concerned about their future husbands' careers than their own.

In the north, sorority and Junior League just aren't as competitive. My JL chapter does not require recs or sponsors like in the book, The Devil in the Junior League I can't even imagine landing in a sorority if I attended schools where this was the norm! I'm glad women are asking about competitiveness on a campus in other threads but until they get there, they just aren't going to know for sure.

bejazd · #14 06-15-2007, 08:44 PM

Junior League??? is that even popular anywhere these days?

It's tough to get women I know to go to a PTA meeting!

carnation · #15 06-15-2007, 08:55 PM

It has occurred to me that the second and third days of recruitment are getting weird for the competitive-campus sororities that are considered middle tier on down. (Yes, I know that "tiers" is a dirty word and I hate tiers too.) This is because nowadays, the huge cuts happen after first and second parties so the "middle tier on down" groups find themselves entertaining girls who thought they would be at the top of the top tier parties. That is, the girls who didn't drop out of recruitment. These are the girls who decided to make a stab at it because they want to be Greek and I salute them! Still, I'm told it's uncomfortable to be entertaining teary-eyed women at second and third parties.