Re-Initiating

[BlueNYC2]

i'm not sure how orgs in the other councils work, but in the NPHC, you cannot join an organization after you have become of member of another one that is an honorary, or service org.


and IF she would have been able to join another org, she's what is called a PANCAKE!!!

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

i'm not sure how orgs in the other councils work, but in the NPHC, you cannot join an organization after you have become of member of another one that is an honorary, or service org.

So are you saying that NPHC members cannot hold dual memberships in in the NPHC and service/honorary/professional organizations? I know that once initiated in the NPHC, you cannot join another NPHC. But I know several NPHC members who are in service/honorary/professional fraternities.

It's the same for the NPC. Once initiated in the NPC, you cannot join another NPC sorority. The original poster knows this. What she was wondering is HOW her friend would be found out if she decided to initiate into two.

[Senusret I]

OTW you know damn well the person you quoted is just plain wrong. lol I don't know why you feel like being nice.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by HeatherH84

If there isnt a datbase or anything how would her chances of being found out be high?

There is a database.

[PhiMuAmberkins]

First, you can only be misled if you let people mislead you. There is a wealth of information on the internet about all the NPC organizations, including chapter websites; plus, every campus I know of has a greek advisor, and they should know about things like dues and so on. I don't think there's ever any excuse for being misled...you're just under-informed, and that's your friends own fault.

Second, if she really hates her chapter, maybe it's her. Not to be mean to your friend, but if she hates the ENTIRE chapter, or if they hate her, maybe it's her, not them.

Third, if it is just her chapter, but she still wants to be in a sorority, she pretty much has 2 options that don't include being deceitful. She can join a local or a service sorority or something like that (some people just want the letters...) or she can transfer to another chapter of Delta Zeta. I'm not sure how many chapters there are...but I'm willing to be it's quite a few (ie probably in the hundreds). If I hated my chapter, I have over 100 other Phi Mu chapters that I could conceivably transfer to.

Sorry if this is harsh. I just have no sympathy for people who don't read the fine print, aren't proactive in finding out information, and who let themselves be misled. And people who try to be deceitful are just the kind of people who give greeks a bad name.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

OTW you know damn well the person you quoted is just plain wrong. lol I don't know why you feel like being nice.

Shut up, tard.

[I really really really am nice. Don't let these fools tell you otherwise.]

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by OTW

Shut up, tard.

[I really really really am nice. Don't let these fools tell you otherwise.]

I know you're nice, I've seen the pictures.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

i'm not sure how orgs in the other councils work, but in the NPHC, you cannot join an organization after you have become of member of another one that is an honorary, or service org.


and IF she would have been able to join another org, she's what is called a PANCAKE!!!

That is not true. For my org you cannot become a member if you are or have been a member of a NPC or another NPHC org. We have many members who are also members of honorary or service orgs.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

OTW you know damn well the person you quoted is just plain wrong. lol I don't know why you feel like being nice.

LOL. I should have read ahead.

[ladygreek]

For some reason I like OTW.

[AChiOhSnap]

Originally Posted by PhiMuAmberkins

Sorry if this is harsh. I just have no sympathy for people who don't read the fine print, aren't proactive in finding out information, and who let themselves be misled. And people who try to be deceitful are just the kind of people who give greeks a bad name.

I second that. And frankly, I don't know why you don't think her scheme is more than just a "bad idea," as you called it. I would be completely pissed if I were you. I don't know why you don't feel like she's horribly disrespecting your organization by thinking she can just juggle around sororities as it suits her.

It's not just a "bad idea" because she might get caught. It's a bad idea because it goes against a major tenent of membership in your sorority, and I hope you'd feel passionately enough about your sorority to not let her blatantly break your rules.

[PhoenixAzul]

This is not directed at anyone, but please let's not tell people to try locals as second option. It can be read as "if you don't get into a real sorority, try a local, they let everyone in." Locals have their own criteria and rules regarding people who have already initiated into other groups. Granted, they would probably not be able to access the NPC database of initiates.

I know it is meant as a "you can't initiate in our council, but local/other councils may allow you to be initiated", but it can be misread as "they let everyone in."

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Tell your friend to ask the chapter president if she can take a look at the ritual book. She should read the oath she took at initiation (and don't tell me that I don't know DZ ritual; let's be honest folks, they are all the same).

[PhiMuAmberkins]

Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

This is not directed at anyone, but please let's not tell people to try locals as second option. It can be read as "if you don't get into a real sorority, try a local, they let everyone in." Locals have their own criteria and rules regarding people who have already initiated into other groups. Granted, they would probably not be able to access the NPC database of initiates.

I know it is meant as a "you can't initiate in our council, but local/other councils may allow you to be initiated", but it can be misread as "they let everyone in."

Oh, no, I didn't mean it like that at all! I was actually in a local that I started before I joined Phi Mu. While our local was most definitely not a "real" sorority, I know that a lot of locals are. Sorry for the confusion, no offense meant!

[AlexMack]

I had a friend with a very similar story to yours. She joined an NPC sorority, was very unhappy with both the chapter and the school and she transferred to a school closer to home. She went through recruitment with some new friends she made at her new school just to hold their hands and wound up with a bid at another NPC sorority with girls she absolutely loved. She really really wanted to join them, even disaffiliating from her original sorority. She finally decided not to accept the bid.

Think about it carefully-she may transfer to another school, disaffiliate from DZ and get a bid to a chapter she loves. She makes lots of friends, loves the school, loves her sorority and then one day-BOOM! Something slips, it might be a facebook or myspace indiscretion, or one of the sisters at her new chapter knows someone from her old school, any kind of connection like that...suddenly she's stripped of her membership with her new chapter and now she's got nothing and her new sisters hate her, her old sisters hate her and she's lost it all.
My advice-tell your friend to stick it out and if she really can't, take alum status or disaffiliate. You don't need letters or a sorority to be happy in college and if she's depending on that-well, never mind, this part gets bitchy based upon a loose assumption so I won't go there. There are other clubs and organizations she can join and as others have said, other chapters of DZ at other schools. Delta Zeta is a great organization and she may just be in the wrong chapter for her.