Re-Initiating

PhiMuAmberkins · #1 02-07-2007, 12:14 AM

First, you can only be misled if you let people mislead you. There is a wealth of information on the internet about all the NPC organizations, including chapter websites; plus, every campus I know of has a greek advisor, and they should know about things like dues and so on. I don't think there's ever any excuse for being misled...you're just under-informed, and that's your friends own fault.

Second, if she really hates her chapter, maybe it's her. Not to be mean to your friend, but if she hates the ENTIRE chapter, or if they hate her, maybe it's her, not them.

Third, if it is just her chapter, but she still wants to be in a sorority, she pretty much has 2 options that don't include being deceitful. She can join a local or a service sorority or something like that (some people just want the letters...) or she can transfer to another chapter of Delta Zeta. I'm not sure how many chapters there are...but I'm willing to be it's quite a few (ie probably in the hundreds). If I hated my chapter, I have over 100 other Phi Mu chapters that I could conceivably transfer to.

Sorry if this is harsh. I just have no sympathy for people who don't read the fine print, aren't proactive in finding out information, and who let themselves be misled. And people who try to be deceitful are just the kind of people who give greeks a bad name.

AChiOhSnap · #2 02-07-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiMuAmberkins

Sorry if this is harsh. I just have no sympathy for people who don't read the fine print, aren't proactive in finding out information, and who let themselves be misled. And people who try to be deceitful are just the kind of people who give greeks a bad name.

I second that. And frankly, I don't know why you don't think her scheme is more than just a "bad idea," as you called it. I would be completely pissed if I were you. I don't know why you don't feel like she's horribly disrespecting your organization by thinking she can just juggle around sororities as it suits her.

It's not just a "bad idea" because she might get caught. It's a bad idea because it goes against a major tenent of membership in your sorority, and I hope you'd feel passionately enough about your sorority to not let her blatantly break your rules.

PhoenixAzul · #3 02-07-2007, 12:29 AM

This is not directed at anyone, but please let's not tell people to try locals as second option. It can be read as "if you don't get into a real sorority, try a local, they let everyone in." Locals have their own criteria and rules regarding people who have already initiated into other groups. Granted, they would probably not be able to access the NPC database of initiates.

I know it is meant as a "you can't initiate in our council, but local/other councils may allow you to be initiated", but it can be misread as "they let everyone in."

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 02-07-2007, 12:33 AM

Tell your friend to ask the chapter president if she can take a look at the ritual book. She should read the oath she took at initiation (and don't tell me that I don't know DZ ritual; let's be honest folks, they are all the same).

PhiMuAmberkins · #5 02-07-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

This is not directed at anyone, but please let's not tell people to try locals as second option. It can be read as "if you don't get into a real sorority, try a local, they let everyone in." Locals have their own criteria and rules regarding people who have already initiated into other groups. Granted, they would probably not be able to access the NPC database of initiates.

I know it is meant as a "you can't initiate in our council, but local/other councils may allow you to be initiated", but it can be misread as "they let everyone in."

Oh, no, I didn't mean it like that at all! I was actually in a local that I started before I joined Phi Mu. While our local was most definitely not a "real" sorority, I know that a lot of locals are. Sorry for the confusion, no offense meant!

AlexMack · #6 02-07-2007, 12:47 AM

I had a friend with a very similar story to yours. She joined an NPC sorority, was very unhappy with both the chapter and the school and she transferred to a school closer to home. She went through recruitment with some new friends she made at her new school just to hold their hands and wound up with a bid at another NPC sorority with girls she absolutely loved. She really really wanted to join them, even disaffiliating from her original sorority. She finally decided not to accept the bid.

Think about it carefully-she may transfer to another school, disaffiliate from DZ and get a bid to a chapter she loves. She makes lots of friends, loves the school, loves her sorority and then one day-BOOM! Something slips, it might be a facebook or myspace indiscretion, or one of the sisters at her new chapter knows someone from her old school, any kind of connection like that...suddenly she's stripped of her membership with her new chapter and now she's got nothing and her new sisters hate her, her old sisters hate her and she's lost it all.
My advice-tell your friend to stick it out and if she really can't, take alum status or disaffiliate. You don't need letters or a sorority to be happy in college and if she's depending on that-well, never mind, this part gets bitchy based upon a loose assumption so I won't go there. There are other clubs and organizations she can join and as others have said, other chapters of DZ at other schools. Delta Zeta is a great organization and she may just be in the wrong chapter for her.

ADPiLove · #7 02-07-2007, 02:49 PM

Ok, now I'm a little confused about the whole "being a member of NPHC means you can't be a member of a professional/service org." Sorry for being dumb, but what does NPHC stand for?

I ask because I'm an ADPi, but I also joined the Phi Alpha Delta Pre-Law Fraternity (before recruitment) and nothing has happened concerning my dual membership. Lots of girls in my chapter, and other chapters on campus are in a professional fraternity as well.

#8 02-07-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ADPiLove

Ok, now I'm a little confused about the whole "being a member of NPHC means you can't be a member of a professional/service org." Sorry for being dumb, but what does NPHC stand for?

I ask because I'm an ADPi, but I also joined the Phi Alpha Delta Pre-Law Fraternity (before recruitment) and nothing has happened concerning my dual membership. Lots of girls in my chapter, and other chapters on campus are in a professional fraternity as well.

The National Pan-Hellenic Council, Inc. (NPHC) is an umbrella organization for nine historically black Greek letter fraternities and sororities. You'll often hear them referred to as the Divine 9.

I'm surprised you don't know what NPHC stands for. I know not all New Member Education programs are the same, but I assumed that there'd be some information about the NPHC. I learned about the NPHC the same time I learned about the other 25 NPC sororities.

As far as dual memberships go (in a NPC/NPHC & honorary/professional/service sense), we all know it's possible and allowed. The person I quoted earlier was definitely mistaken.

33girl · #9 02-07-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ADPiLove

Ok, now I'm a little confused about the whole "being a member of NPHC means you can't be a member of a professional/service org." Sorry for being dumb, but what does NPHC stand for?

I ask because I'm an ADPi, but I also joined the Phi Alpha Delta Pre-Law Fraternity (before recruitment) and nothing has happened concerning my dual membership. Lots of girls in my chapter, and other chapters on campus are in a professional fraternity as well.

National Pan-Hellenic Council

As subsequent posters pointed out, the poster who said that is incorrect.

PeppyGPhiB · #10 02-07-2007, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiMuAmberkins

I'm not sure how many chapters there are...but I'm willing to be it's quite a few (ie probably in the thousands or hundreds of thousands). If I hated my chapter, I have over 100,000 other Phi Mu chapters that I could conceivably transfer to.

What do you mean hundreds of thousands of chapters? 100,000 other chapters to transfer to? I thought maybe I misunderstood you at first, but I think you may be confused?

PhiMuAmberkins · #11 02-07-2007, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

What do you mean hundreds of thousands of chapters? 100,000 other chapters to transfer to? I thought maybe I misunderstood you at first, but I think you may be confused?

No, I'm not confused, I'm just sleepy and can't type correctly. I meant hundreds of chapters, hundreds of thousands of women this girl's friend might be able to get along with. I shall fix it!

PeppyGPhiB · #12 02-07-2007, 04:51 AM

Ah, gotcha.

HeatherH84 · #13 02-07-2007, 05:14 AM

Thanks y'all for all your help and advice! I just feel so bad cuz she so badly wanted to have great sisters!!! I will talk to her about trying to transfer to a different DZ chapter!!!

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MTSUGURL · #14 02-07-2007, 10:20 AM

A few years ago when I was recruitment chair, a girl transferred in that was an initiated member of Sigma Kappa. The SK president from her old campus emailed the presidents and recruitment chairs of each sorority on our campus to let us know because she had a feeling the girl might try to join another group. The girl had never said anything, she just had a feeling. I emailed her back to ask her about the girl because she had contacted me and was eligible to join Phi Chi since we were local. There may be thousands upon thousands or millions of Greek women around the world, but that world can become very small when it needs to be.

AlphaFrog · #15 02-07-2007, 11:10 AM

Ok...I know it happens, because we've seen it before...but I still can't get over the fact that people would actually transfer schools because of a GLO.

If/when I ever get around to looking at Grad schools, if two schools I'm looking at are basically identical in reputation, academic offering, etc and one has ASA, I'm going with the one that has ASA. If the one with ASA is academically inferior, I'm going with the better college.

Also, I really hate seeing this GLO getting dragged through the mud on this thread. Every GLO has a bad chapter or 3, but they don't need to be pointed out. This GLO had great women on my campus.