S.O. wearing badge

[GammaZeta]

So...

Can a person in a homosexual relationship with a brother of LXA wear a pin or marker according to LXA guidelines?

[Tom Earp]

Jono, what you posted makes perfect sense.

gammazeta, I am not so sure, but this seemed to be covered above.

But as mentioned if two Brothers in a relationship they can then wear their Badges.

[JonoBN41]

It has nothing to do with being gay.

All our rulings point to one intent: We don't want uninitiated guys wearing the Lambda Chi Alpha badge, period.

Making an exception for gay men would, in effect, result in discrimination against straight men.

So my feeling is, if you want to marry a guy, go right ahead. It's very nice. But he should not wear our badge.

[GammaZeta]

I just find this very interesting.

Although it may not be accepted by all, would the RULES of LXA allow for a homosexual brothers "husband" or S.O. to wear a pin?

What would be acceptable in a homosexual relationship to allow a S.O, etc., to show the world that he is in a relationship with a LXA?

Obviously it is ok for a wife or girlfriend to display their association, what could a homosexual partner of a brother do?

[Tom Earp]

Nothing, it is not in the rules of LXA as I understand them.

If I am wrong then someone please explain them to me.

[HONKY660]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

I just find this very interesting.

Although it may not be accepted by all, would the RULES of LXA allow for a homosexual brothers "husband" or S.O. to wear a pin?

What would be acceptable in a homosexual relationship to allow a S.O, etc., to show the world that he is in a relationship with a LXA?

Obviously it is ok for a wife or girlfriend to display their association, what could a homosexual partner of a brother do?

Did you not just read everthing that has been posted above? I believe that all of your questions have been answered quite clearly. Stop trying to stir up something. I sure there are more important things people in relationships straight or gay have to deal with, I doubt wearing a badge is one of them.

[GammaZeta]

Well Honky, I find it amazing that you doubt "wearing a badge" is important.

To me, it is. And I will ask any question I want on any topic I want if I want further clarification.

[john1082]

I believe that same gender couples were not contemplated when our governing documents were written in 1909. They've been amended since but more in form than substance.

Although we would know immediately that a woman wearing a badge was not an initiate, a same gender partner of a Brother would give rise to some ambiguity. Years ago presenting a spouse / mother with a badge was a stylish thing to do. I like the idea, but I've not seen it out here on the west coast - still a practice or a quaint out of practice custom?

I don't profess to know the answer, but I can see questions. I have been to LXA functions where a Brother brought his partner and I was confused at first because I thought that the guest was one of us!

The Committee on Emblems and Ritual may want to visit this topic at General Assembly in 2007. The badge police aren't gonna catch anybody in the mean time but this may be an appropriate topic for exploration for future deliberations.

[GammaZeta]

Good idea John. Traditionally a pin has been used for females, what would everyone think of the idea of using something different, like a symbol instead of letters so that A. another male could wear something that represents his involvement with a LXA and B. it is not confused with a brother wearing letters.

[EM1843]

John,
I'd note that in 1909 our fraternity would have banned jewish and african american men from joining too.
Also I didn't notice the difference between fiance and fiancee, but Jono you're right.
I think at this point this thread has been answered and probably should be closed before it gets out of control.

[GammaZeta]

Maybe we should start a new thread addressing homosexuality within our fraternity and how we, as brothers, can better embrace it.

Like Em1843 said, at one time our fraternity did not allow african american or jewish men.

I think an open and frank dialogue will be helpful in starting to embrace and accept different lifestyles of brothers.

[john1082]

Originally Posted by EM1843

John,
I'd note that in 1909 our fraternity would have banned jewish and african american men from joining too.
Also I didn't notice the difference between fiance and fiancee, but Jono you're right.
I think at this point this thread has been answered and probably should be closed before it gets out of control.

Whoops - you're absolutely right. I'm ashamed for forgetting about that - I know it was an issue, and a major one at that, when those changes were made, but they absolutely slipped my mind.

That's what I get for making entries just before going to bed or while sipping coffee at Starbucks.

[HONKY660]

Originally Posted by EM1843

John,
I'd note that in 1909 our fraternity would have banned jewish and african american men from joining too.
Also I didn't notice the difference between fiance and fiancee, but Jono you're right.
I think at this point this thread has been answered and probably should be closed before it gets out of control.

I would agree!!

[Cube TX]

Originally Posted by HONKY660

I too "dropped" my girlfriend of 4 years, same as lavaliering. I asked the entire chapter for permission too, never have I gotten so much **** for something in my life. Very serious thing for my chapter. She too had her candlelight ceremony, made her other sorority sister mad because she hadn't been dropped and she was engaged to our president.

Well, I was around during that time Honky. The sorority sister in question who got all mad broke up with our brother about a week before their wedding, so in the end her getting upset over the drop was a distant memory.

The guys bugged you about the whole drop thing because your then-girlfriend was an easy target for the guys. Remember that she was always having to put up with the guys even before you two hooked up. Had it not been you and she then I doubt the guys would have made such a stink about it all.

Hmmm... did ANY of the couples from college stay together? All of those "serious" relationships sure ended in some ugly ways.

[GammaZeta]

Amazingly our chapter has had success in producing long term relationships.

One brother just recently got married to his sorority sweetheart that he met while associating with LXA.

There are also numerous other marriages and possible marriages that came out of our chapter.

I guess it's just luck I guess.