Republican Morality

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DoggyStyle82

Touching and agreeing almost 100%. My point is that infusing political rhetoric with rigid religious dogma or the converse, infusing reilgious dogma with intractable political agendas, inevitably causes the polemicist to be in violation of their own tenets.

Shinerbock makes good points, but misses the point.. Pointing fingers is not an argument. Ad hominem platitudes do not further the conversation. Spouting party line talking points does not advance discourse. They only, obscure, deflect, and obsfucate. The debate is about leadership, not individuals. Democratic leadership is no more "moral" than republican leadership. However, they don't beat people over the head with "family values", demonize sexual minorities, or blame the other party for failing American morals and then participate in the very things that they decry. That is the essence of the thread

However, in attempting to rationalize this argument, you're pointing your finger at the Republican party. By using terms such as "demonize," you're showing your personal bias. Simply saying that we don't agree with homosexuality could not be aptly described as "demonizing." Democrats consistantly try to portray Republicans as trying take away homosexual's "right" to marry, when in actuality the right never existed. Its like saying we're keeping engineers from practicing law. They simply don't fit the requirements. I also disagree...Democrats use morality all the time as a selling point, describing the GOP as a group which is dishonest and heartless. Again, its tough to be hypocritical when you don't stand for anything in the first place (see: Iraq).

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

However, in attempting to rationalize this argument, you're pointing your finger at the Republican party. By using terms such as "demonize," you're showing your personal bias. Simply saying that we don't agree with homosexuality could not be aptly described as "demonizing." Democrats consistantly try to portray Republicans as trying take away homosexual's "right" to marry, when in actuality the right never existed. Its like saying we're keeping engineers from practicing law. They simply don't fit the requirements. I also disagree...Democrats use morality all the time as a selling point, describing the GOP as a group which is dishonest and heartless. Again, its tough to be hypocritical when you don't stand for anything in the first place (see: Iraq).

ok, then take that line out and respond specifically to the point at hand, not what others have done. Its been stated by DSTChaos and myself that Dems are not perfect either. This isn't even about them so take them out of the equation. Republicans, specifically, the social and religious variety, hold their party as the standard. What is your response to the failings of your leadership in moral and ethical issues?

BTW, I am a conservative, just not an idealogue entrenched in either parties b.s

[AXEAM]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

So where would I fit in? I considr myself a Consrvative Democrat. I am conservative because I am a Christian. I dont believe in homosexuality. I dont believe in hand outs. I believe in helping one lift himself by his own bootstraps. I believe in small governement involvment in peoples lives. I am a Democrat mainly because I do believe it is govt's responsibility to help the down troddin (To a certian degree). Ialso believe in a strong defense ( Guess thats another conservative view)

I agree w/most of your post but let ask are you opposed to all goverment handouts or just the little bones thrown out to the poor? I'm not trying to start anything I just want to know how you feel on the issue.

[06pilot]

Originally Posted by AXEAM

I agree w/most of your post but let ask are you opposed to all goverment handouts or just the little bones thrown out to the poor? I'm not trying to start anything I just want to know how you feel on the issue.

No I am not opposed to al government handouts. I wish instead of givng people something for nothing, the govenment teach people how to stand on their own two feet. I had to do it the next man can too. Being por is not an excuse to fail. Ther eare many stories of poor people that have made it big. It can be done if you believ ein yourself and a higher power. Thats what I believe anyway

[AXEAM]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

No I am not opposed to al government handouts. I wish instead of givng people something for nothing, the govenment teach people how to stand on their own two feet. I had to do it the next man can too. Being por is not an excuse to fail. Ther eare many stories of poor people that have made it big. It can be done if you believ ein yourself and a higher power. Thats what I believe anyway

What about handouts for big business and sweet heart no bid contracts? I believe often times the powers that be will use the little set asides given to the poor as a smoke & mirrors ploy.

[shinerbock]

What about no bid contracts for minority companies (cough, Atlanta, cough)

[06pilot]

Originally Posted by AXEAM

What about handouts for big business and sweet heart no bid contracts? I believe often times the powers that be will use the little set asides given to the poor as a smoke & mirrors ploy.

I am opposed to that as well

[PerroLoco]

Rev. Haggard anyone? Chief Priest of the Conservative Evangelicans, Bush's front man on the war against gay marriage is a closeted buggerer himself. Holy Pillow-biter Batman!!!!!!

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by PerroLoco

Rev. Haggard anyone? Chief Priest of the Conservative Evangelicans, Bush's front man on the war against gay marriage is a closeted buggerer himself. Holy Pillow-biter Batman!!!!!!

You're an idiot. Doesn't represent most evangelicals, and little if any connection to the administration.