What do you think of Greek Life?

[DST_philoso4]

Originally Posted by Divalawgirl

when you said this, it didn't sound "greek specific" it sounded like an empowerment to women, as many women in sororities have benefit by women in power who are NOT in sororities [mentorship programs, internships, sponsorship of programs aimed at inner city youth etc.].

Sorry, I was very specific about what I was referring to.

Well now we're clear on the issue, you were specifically speaking to Greek "women in power" and being able to "sound off". But I was speaking of women in power generally [since they are proportionately and actually, at least regarding NPHC is concerned, a larger number], and as I previously stated, many of them are not advocating for programs, as well as aiming to alleviate programs that target women and assist them in entering college. no big deal, topics "stray" all the time, and it is inevitable, "greekdom" especially NPHC is a VERY small sub-segment of the general population, you can not speak on it without speaking on the population at large.

Originally Posted by Divalawgirl

(YOU)What happens in greek life is affected by greater society and people who are not a part of greek life.

I beg to DIFFER. Can you give an example how the greater society is affected by us?

I can actually think of SEVERAL instances in which this is true [i.e., various service events to the community], but since I did NOT say that greater society was affected by us, I can't understand why you'd ask me to cite an example. What I said was GREEK LIFE is affected BY GREATER SOCIETY, not that it AFFECTS GREATER SOCIETY.

Originally Posted by Divalawgirl

(YOU)So while my initial post was about greek specifically, I thought you were generalizing what's going on in greater society and how it will affect us. For instance:

No, I was not.

Well we cleared that up in the first segment of this reply, no need to repeat. You weren't, I was, so now can you understand the reply I made to you initially, with an understanding I know those ppl aren't in NPHC groups?

[Divalawgirl]

. Moving on.........

[treblk]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Not really. I can think of several examples. For instance, just go to the 'Risk Management' forum. Without getting too specific, not too long ago a HBGLO received national headlines because of a hazing incident where two pnms died. It was so sensational that that a major magazine wrote a focus article about it. As much as you (the general you) would like to ignore the actions of the renegade members, there are others who won't let you forget so you still have to deal with them, at least in terms of damage control for your org.

I don't believe the you (general you) is ingoring the ill happenings of renegades, my point is that instead of shining more light to their actions, we need to shine more light to the positive. Instead of pointing me in the direction of some hazing story, point me in the direction of some community service accomplishment and so on.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by treblk

I don't believe the you (general you) is ingoring the ill happenings of renegades, my point is that instead of shining more light to their actions, we need to shine more light to the positive. Instead of pointing me in the direction of some hazing story, point me in the direction of some community service accomplishment and so on.

I agreed with most of your and DSTCHAOS' previous posts that I replied to. I just don't think that those renegade members should be so easliy dismissed. Yes, we (as greek members) can easliy ignore them, or not put so much emphasis on their actions. But, others (usually non-greek members) are only sometimes interested in seeing the bad stuff we do, and not really care that much about the community service that we do.

I have sorors that have gone out and not represented our org in a positive light, and since I know them I'm just kinda at their actions. But, when people who are not in my org, or not even greek ask me about their actions I try to answer them as nicely and politely as possible concerning the actions of a few members of my org. People want to know all about the bad stuff that happens. The moment you start telling them about all the good that we (as greek) do, they turn away.

[DSTCHAOS]

Since none of this exists in a bubble, Greek life BOTH impacts and is impacted by society at large.

If we don't impact society then what were our Founders doing besides wasting space? What are we here for now besides sitting around being self-important? No examples needed. If you don't know then you shouldn't have joined a GLO.

Next debate.....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

We can all think of examples from each of our orgs where our own members put the whole organization in jeopardy.

Therefore we put the idiots in their place and move on to handle business. We can't become preoccupied with idiots.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Therefore we put the idiots in their place and move on to handle business. We can't become preoccupied with idiots.

This is what I was trying to do here http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=78745, as you state - 'put the idiots in their place and move on', but some of you *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* did not want to let it go and move on, some of you became very preoccupied with it.

No, I'm not saying to become preoccupied with the idiots. I said, among other things that those idiots can nave a negative affect on greek life. You have to deal with them at some point on some level, whether you (the general you) would like to or not.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

This is what I was trying to do here http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=78745, as you state - 'put the idiots in their place and move on', but some of you *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* did not want to let it go and move on, some of you became very preoccupied with it.

Nah, you were being coy and dancing around the issue instead of just saying "I see how this can be seen as disrespectful and this issue is being handled in-house."

We weren't preoccupied with it. There was a thread on a message board that we found entertaining so we posted in it. Nothing more substantial than that.

When you learn to call a spade a spade, then folks can let it go and move on.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Nah, you were being coy and dancing around the issue instead of just saying "I see how this can be seen as disrespectful and this issue is being handled in-house."

In my first post of that thread I said her action was not very pan-hellinic. I thought you got that.

Early along in that thread one of my sorors actually came out and said that the issue has been handled 'in-house', yet the fiasco continued. I also stated that in my region how we would handle the issue. I guess you missed those points....

We weren't preoccupied with it.

From where I was sitting it certainly seem that way.

There was a thread on a message board that we found entertaining so we posted in it. Nothing more substantial than that.

Maybe I need to start posting some of the 'entertaining' stuff I know about other greeks, seeing as that the things they do are really not that substantial.

When you learn to call a spade a spade, then folks can let it go and move on.

Oh, I can call a spade a spade. I just don't owe you, or any other non-financial member of my org an explanation / clarification of what goes on in my org. Anything I say about my org is done as a courtesy because I like to share my greek experiences and perspectives. I'm not here to satisfy what you want the way you want it.

And if folks are waiting around for me to do something to satisfy them, then I say they need to get a life.....

[DSTCHAOS]

Great!

Now prove that you don't owe us anything by letting it go.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Great!

Now prove that you don't owe us anything by letting it go.

I have been trying, people keep quoting me, asking me stuff.....

The reason I brought up the 'Really' thread as an example here is because I think you are being hypocritical in this case.

You have stated in this thread to 'ignore the idiots (in your greek org), be about the business of handling the sorority / fraternity business' (I summarized your statements), so fine, that is what I was trying to get some of you all to see. If you are true to your word, then you and others would have done the same thing in the 'Really' thread. You would have ignored it. But, maybe you think your philosophy should only apply to Delta and d*mn everyone else since what we do (everyone else) you find to be 'entertaining', because that is how you are sounding to me right about now....

[DSTCHAOS]

Stop acting like Pookie and just let it go.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Stop acting like Pookie and just let it go.

..... ........

[Divalawgirl]

In the words of 2 Short "Blow the whistle"...........

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I have been trying, people keep quoting me, asking me stuff.....

The reason I brought up the 'Really' thread as an example here is because I think you are being hypocritical in this case.

You have stated in this thread to 'ignore the idiots (in your greek org), be about the business of handling the sorority / fraternity business' (I summarized your statements), so fine, that is what I was trying to get some of you all to see. If you are true to your word, then you and others would have done the same thing in the 'Really' thread. You would have ignored it. But, maybe you think your philosophy should only apply to Delta and d*mn everyone else since what we do (everyone else) you find to be 'entertaining', because that is how you are sounding to me right about now....

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