them there grades

[SigmaPezY60]

our Inter Fraternity and Sorority Council requires a cumulative of 2.2 to be counted as Active for each organization.

Sigma Psi Kappa requires a 2.4 GPA. If an active sister has 2.0-2.399 then she is placed on probationary status for one semester. (less than 2.0 puts her on University Academic Probation- which results in the sisters having to be inactive until she is taken off of her university's probation)

we have study hours 2 times a week and if our gpa's are between the IFSC and our requirement...we have to go to them.

what good is a sister [or brother] who fails out of school? what good is a sorority [or fraternity] who allows her sisters [or brothers] to fail?

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I find it nigh on impossible to believe any chapter anywhere does
require an over 3.0 (4.0=A) gpa for initiation
UNLESS
the old gentleman's C has become a B
Perhaps the gutless wonders and bleeding hearts have been so
intimidated that they no longer flunk anyone.
Yes, I flat-out find this unbelievable....
This is incredible! Would sure like to see corroboration on this!

I think most of these 3.0s are referring to high school grades. Which, at most schools, you need to get into college anyway -- so I don't think it's that surprising.

[KSigkid]

I believe Kappa Sig's standard is a 2.3, which we followed.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I find it nigh on impossible to believe any chapter anywhere does
require an over 3.0 (4.0=A) gpa for initiation
UNLESS
the old gentleman's C has become a B
Perhaps the gutless wonders and bleeding hearts have been so
intimidated that they no longer flunk anyone.
Yes, I flat-out find this unbelievable....
This is incredible! Would sure like to see corroboration on this!

The 3.2 for initiation is what I was told from a now-retired professor from UT Austin- Arthur Rauch- who was their campus adviser for 20+ years.

[Erik P Conard]

I was in the ed biz and fraternity volunteer arena too long to
believe the UTex Phi Psi g.p.a. requirement...baloney
It would be great if all our folks would get good grades and
cease and desist from throwing up on the Pike porch...
And I do think FarmHouse and the Betas likely have the highest
standards as regards grade point expectations for the NIC men's
groups. I am not addressing any other groups, by the way.
But, please do not get all bent out of shape as I mean this as a positive post. But 3.2-- bullshit...not even close.

[Rudey]

If I had to guess who had the highest GPAs I would probably pick one of the smaller old line fraternities or fraternities that are smaller and at better schools, but that's just me.

-Rudey

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
If I had to guess who had the highest GPAs I would probably pick one of the smaller old line fraternities or fraternities that are smaller and at better schools, but that's just me.

-Rudey

I'd say that would be a pretty good guess. Although recently we have put a lot of effort into recolonizing a couple of larger chapters that were closed (Including Ohio State), our totally new chapter efforts have been on smaller, more selective and academically oriented schools.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I'd say that would be a pretty good guess. Although recently we have put a lot of effort into recolonizing a couple of larger chapters that were closed (Including Ohio State), our totally new chapter efforts have been on smaller, more selective and academically oriented schools.

I've noticed for a few orgs, that alumni from the top schools donate quite a bit of money even though they don't have large chapters. I think certain GLOs may start focusing more on these schools.

-Rudey

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by James
I'm glad we ditched the NIC. I am not sure what a trade organization is doing trying to mandate rules like that.

I don't know...while I recognize that there are exceptions to every rule, I think standards such as that aren't so bad. If someone is getting lower than a 2.3, they should probably be concentrating on school and not pledging/the chapter.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally posted by Rudey
People get 2.3 GPAs in high school and still make it into college? I suppose they are the ones who earn 2.25 GPAs in college.

While every Greek organization exists for whatever reason it decides and can decide grades don't matter, I find it a shame that any student receives that GPA and that a chapter would accept them without thought.

-Rudey

Agreed!!!

[preciousjeni]

2.5 minimum for initiation though 3.0 is standard. We generally take only second semester freshmen and beyond, so no high school grades.

ETA: This is for undergrads. Graduate, Alumnae and Professional (GAP) membership has its own initiation requirements.

[Tom Earp]

I just wonder if We/Acedemians are not trying to live in utopia?

Remember, while all Nationals have GPA Initiation requierments, (LXA 2.5), there is much more to it than that!

As we have read, "The Deleware Plan", some what negates GPA because Greeks have to be participants in many other things when We as Greeks Do it Ourselves.

Now, that brings up other quetions doesnt it?

According To LXA and I am sure Most Other Nationals because of Risk Management, You cannot require a New Associate to have Study Time. So, We dont, ludecrious as it sounds, that is the way it is.

Keep Grades, first, To Graduate, Keep Grades to keep Active or be Initiated!

What is Wrong with this scenerio?

Getting Tired!!!!! Crap does not run uphill!




Just in so adding:

Pitt. State avg: .05
All Greek: 2.94
Frat.: 2.76

LXA: 3.34


From Fall Smester of 2004.

Not bad for a Silly State U. in Kansas!

[hoosier]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I find it nigh on impossible to believe any chapter anywhere does
require an over 3.0 (4.0=A) gpa for initiation
UNLESS
the old gentleman's C has become a B
Perhaps the gutless wonders and bleeding hearts have been so
intimidated that they no longer flunk anyone.
Yes, I flat-out find this unbelievable....
This is incredible! Would sure like to see corroboration on this!

In the early '70s, the all-fraternity, all-men's, and all-campus GPA average at GA Tech was around 2.3/2.4, and the Gentleman's 'C' was acceptable.

Now all of these averages are around, or slightly above, 3.0. A few chapters have 3.5 GPAs.

Two big things have contributed to this:

1 - Vietnam War. If you got bad grades, you got drafted, so the profs started giving everyone good grades

2 - Georgia's HOPE scholarship program, funded by the state-wide lottery. You earn a HOPE (full tuition, fees, books) for a high school average of 3.0 or higher, and you get it renewed if you get a 3.0 in college. The profs want the students to hang around, so they've devalued grades.

The same has happened at all GA campuses.

[Erik P Conard]

yep, and as the kids flunked out, the professors were threatened
with position cuts due to enrollment drops. Hence higher grades.
Is an A at Yale the same as an A at Slippery Rock?
I flunked a football player at a major U once, almost got kicked
out of grad school. The grade was changed (not by me) the
jock made All-American and I finished my degree, got the H out
of there. Blowing the whistle will end a career, you better believe that, too. Alums want winners, they care not how--
But to infer kids are smarter is folly. Grades are given at many schools at an inflated rate.
My dau got out of CU with a 4.0, entered graduate nursing with
that g.p.a. and was graduated there with a 4.0, ranking 13th in
her class. Some transfer students had come in with A+ grades.
Interesting the flunk-out rate of transfers from some community
colleges to major universities.
Naw, I want greeks to get good grades, yes, but are we just
fooling ourselves on some campi?

[Tom Earp]

**SNAPS** as the kids say!

Grades now seem to be given whether it Be at Harvard Yard, or Podunk U. depending on Athletics too.

Reminds me of a Young Man who Graduated from Creighton U. went on to play Pro NBA Ball. Couldnt read!

Team sent Him back to school so He could learn to read and started at the 3 rd grade level!

Seems like anywhere else, economics, come into play here. Boils down to $$$$$$$$$$!

In most Schools, you are a number, and the Proffs. are there collecting their money. You are there or not, it msakes no difference, seats full or seats empty.