Dr. Laura Schlessinger

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by 33girl
I'm just frightened that people can't trust their own judgement about child rearing and have to ask a radio talk-show host their opinion. I don't think my mom called Paul Harvey and asked if it was a good idea to put me in accelerated classes.

Seriously y'all. If you can't handle making a decision like this on your own then I don't think you should be procreating. Not to mention that there was pretty much no way that she didn't know what Dr. Laura was going to say; she just wanted an "expert" to back up her own prejudices so she didn't have to say to the teacher, "I don't want my daughter to cavort with murderers"; instead she could say "Dr. Laura told me that my daughter shouldn't be hanging out with murderers."

This thread is scary. No, tolerance does not mean that you have to tolerate everything, and clearly this woman has a right to pull her daughter from the field trip if she feels that is the right idea -- I'm not arguing that. But deciding that all Muslims are murderers because a handful of them did something atrocious on 9/11 is painting with a pretty wide brush, and the fact that people aren't even questioning that is really scary to me.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Well said Ktsnake.

These days...people are becoming INtolerant of anyone that is actually opinionated and is not afraid to speak up about it.

So Dr. Laura is allowed to speak up and call all muslims murderers but I'm not allowed on a message board and call her insane?

I'm just speaking my mind...just like her.

[pirepresent]

Thank you Lady Pi Phi.

It is also my honest opinion that it is never a responsible practice to promote racial intolerance. I personally believe that education about other religions is a wonderful first step toward understanding the world we live in.

If you want to think all Muslims are murderers, fine. If I want to think you're seeing the issue with blinders on, that's fine too.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by pirepresent
Thank you Lady Pi Phi.

It is also my honest opinion that it is never a responsible practice to promote racial intolerance. I personally believe that education about other religions is a wonderful first step toward understanding the world we live in.

If you want to think all Muslims are murderers, fine. If I want to think you're seeing the issue with blinders on, that's fine too.

Fine but here's what I think. That does not teach tolerance. That teaches lies. Let's expose everyone to everything. After they go to any religious service of any congregation they choose, take them to the bad places as well. Have them watch a few videos, look at some data, etc. just to make it fair.

-Rudey

[pirepresent]

Rudey,

All I'm trying to say is that it accomplishes absolutely nothing to say that all Muslims are murderers. Because that in and of itself is a lie. Not all Muslims are murderers. Saying that they are promotes racism.

When I was in middle school, they took us on exploratory visits to local colleges around the Baltimore area. There was a big fuss because some of the parents refused to allow their children to see the campus of Coppin State, a historically black college. It's the same thing - WHAT does that accomplish? Versus what would be hurt by letting young people see things that are different from what they know or are used to??

And what bad places are you talking about? Where would you have people take them? I've been to the Holocaust museum before. That doesn't mean I hate Germans. And I'm sure many Jewish people have been to the Holocaust museum, or have family who suffered through the Holocaust. Should Jewish people hate ALL Christian people? No. That's ridiculous, and the fact that there is a person spouting off nonsense like that on the radio is, to me, ridiculous. And irresponsible.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
So Dr. Laura is allowed to speak up and call all muslims murderers but I'm not allowed on a message board and call her insane?

I'm just speaking my mind...just like her.

Who said you weren't allowed to make your point on a message board?? Before you try to dispute what I'm saying..how about you try to understand what I'm saying first. WHAT I SAID WAS that she has the right to say what she wants and that YOU can change the station if you choose to do so.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Who said you weren't allowed to make your point on a message board?? Before you try to dispute what I'm saying..how about you try to understand what I'm saying first. WHAT I SAID WAS that she has the right to say what she wants and that YOU can change the station if you choose to do so.

This isn't a hit back at you, cuz I kinda agree with some of what you have said.

But how would you feel if she had been talking about a black history museum? Would you feel the same way you do now, or would you be mad?

[Lady Pi Phi]

I know what you said but you also said that people were becoming intolerant of people who speak their mind. I'm not intolerant of her, I just think she's nuts. I don't listen to her anyway, but I'm allowed to think she's crazy. Just like I don't listen to Howard Stern, I can still think he's vulgar.

[Rudey]

I didn't say all. That's your thinking. But I do think that when an investigative report has to have all mentions of the Saudis blacked out by the President to protect them, that the image is not going to change. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

The case with the black college is different. That is pure racism in and of itself. What would be the flip side of a black college? It's an institution - not really an exposure to a culture.

The Jewish people that do spout off words of hate against all muslims and christians are terrorists as well. So is the case of Christian fundamentalists, Indian nationalists that attack the minority Muslims, etc. In the case of the Holocaust, there can never be anything to make up for it but there can be efforts made to at least mollify the situation which happened.

She has every right to be on the radio. I don't see where she even used the word "all". To you is there even a possibility that a culture itself, not the people, could be at fault?

-Rudey

Originally posted by pirepresent
Rudey,

All I'm trying to say is that it accomplishes absolutely nothing to say that all Muslims are murderers. Because that in and of itself is a lie. Not all Muslims are murderers. Saying that they are promotes racism.

When I was in middle school, they took us on exploratory visits to local colleges around the Baltimore area. There was a big fuss because some of the parents refused to allow their children to see the campus of Coppin State, a historically black college. It's the same thing - WHAT does that accomplish? Versus what would be hurt by letting young people see things that are different from what they know or are used to??

And what bad places are you talking about? Where would you have people take them? I've been to the Holocaust museum before. That doesn't mean I hate Germans. And I'm sure many Jewish people have been to the Holocaust museum, or have family who suffered through the Holocaust. Should Jewish people hate ALL Christian people? No. That's ridiculous, and the fact that there is a person spouting off nonsense like that on the radio is, to me, ridiculous. And irresponsible.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
This isn't a hit back at you, cuz I kinda agree with some of what you have said.

But how would you feel if she had been talking about a black history museum? Would you feel the same way you do now, or would you be mad?

I wouldn't give a rat's behind! Its her opinion!!! I can disagree with what she says but support her right to say it. People are always going to have negative things to say about black people...but that is their perogative!! Its not like she's in COngress or the House or Representatives...she's a talk show host who gets paid for her controversial ideas.

And there is a radical sect of Muslims...those that don't want to believe that are in denial...

[pirepresent]

THERE IS A RADICAL SECT OF EVERYONE!!!!!

There are radical whites, blacks, muslims, christians, catholics, etc etc etc.

Those who dont want to believe it are in denial. So does that mean we should practice intolerance against everyone?!? That we should prevent our young people from learning about religions, because there are crazies out there who happen to practice murder in the name of that religion?

[OrigamiTulip]

"Laura Schlessinger is a sad, angry, emotionally troubled woman. I think she harbors a lot of guilt and bitterness against both her parents and others who have hurt or betrayed her through the years...She always seems angry, uneasy,and uncomfortable. She makes many mistakes in her information, often passes off opinion as fact, and is completely unable to accept even the mildest critical response to anything she does or says. Radio suits her problems very well, for she can vent at an anonymous voice without having to see the damage that she does. I wonder: can that many of her callers verify that she actually helped them with the problem they called about? I have discovered that using insults, degrading comments, ugly, hateful remarks rarely results in someone changing to please me. More often, those things result in hurt feelings, anger, or a decision to ignore what I am saying. I suspect it works pretty much the same way for the more illustrious Laura Schlessinger. She just doesn't care much for the human race. .....More chillingly, does she talk to her son the same way she does her listeners?"

Someone else wrote this on a guestbook, but I think it says what I was trying to say, but couldn't put into words. Dr. Laura is a woman who preaches family values and closesness, but estranged herself from her mother, and let her die alone. Thats not something that a decent, rational person does.

[RACooper]

Look someone sould take her to court (again) or her sponsors.....

The company I worked for years ago (Unilever) was taken to court over statements she made regarding homosexuals, the mentally challenged, and Quebec.

Because Unilever was the sponsor of the show at the time (well for Canadian re-broadcast) the company was held legally responsible for in effect sponsoring her views.

End result company lost money in court battles, Laura is dropped like a dead skunk by 99% of all sponsors and Canadian broadcasters.


PS. I refuse to call her "Dr. Laura", is she a medical doctor? No. Does she have a doctorate? No.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by pirepresent
THERE IS A RADICAL SECT OF EVERYONE!!!!!

There are radical whites, blacks, muslims, christians, catholics, etc etc etc.

Those who dont want to believe it are in denial. So does that mean we should practice intolerance against everyone?!? That we should prevent our young people from learning about religions, because there are crazies out there who happen to practice murder in the name of that religion?

Oh yea you're right..its just that 98% of the terrorists that have attacked America are Muslim! You're pointing out the obvious..we know that there is no race of all good people...or a religion of all good people..but one cannot ignore the sadistic side of Islam that wants to destroy us all...you included!!!

It has nothing to do with practicing intolerance...and everything to do with having common sense. Why do we insist on being so politically correct that we ignore reality??

[pirepresent]

Originally posted by Rudey
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The Jewish people that do spout off words of hate against all muslims and christians are terrorists as well. So is the case of Christian fundamentalists, Indian nationalists that attack the minority Muslims, etc. In the case of the Holocaust, there can never be anything to make up for it but there can be efforts made to at least mollify the situation which happened.

She has every right to be on the radio. I don't see where she even used the word "all". To you is there even a possibility that a culture itself, not the people, could be at fault?

-Rudey

But you yourself just acknowledged that there are extremists of all cultures and religions. Is the Jewish culture to blame for the actions of some of the people? No. How about the Christian culture? No. I myself am part of the "White, Christian" culture - I certainly don't hold my culture or religion to blame for the actions of the KKK.

As long as there are Muslim men and women out there who are not murderers, I will never believe it was the "culture" that did it. People are crazy. People do crazy things in the name of their religion and culture. That doesn't make the culture and religion "bad", "evil", or "sadistic", and it shouldn't prevent people from learning about it.