Drug Arrests!!!! - Page 2

Kevin · #16 10-24-2002, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by mrblonde
you. Whether it is driving a car, taking care of smalll children, or even sitting next to someone, you are free to live your life how you want, until the very moment you threaten someone else's well being. Some of these substances are legal, some are not. If we cannot trust ourselves with alcohol, why would we throw more fuel on the fire? This is not to say that there arent people who consume both alcohol and marijuana responsibly, but there are also those that do not. And sometimes, too many times, it can hurt, and even kill people. People affected by a 'personal choice' that another person made.

I have yet to see marijuana make anyone act violently

I'll let you know if it ever happens.

Alcohol on the other hand... that's a whole other story. I think that MOST of us can speak from experience.. I'd MUCH rather be driving people around in my car stoned than drunk... If I had to drag them along with me I'd much rather have them stoned than drunk... If they had to drive me somewhere... I'd much rather have them stoned than drunk (not that I'd like to put myself in those situations.. just if given the choice I'd say that marijuana is MUCH more benign than alcohol in just about any circumstance).

They say it's much more carcinogenic than tobacco? Well yep.. But something that most people do maybe once a week will probably effect them less than smoking a pack a day.

For that particular drug I can see no compelling reason not to legalize it... besides putting a few cops and prison guards back into the labor pool...

UF_PikePC98 · #17 10-24-2002, 02:06 PM

Libra...

I said that because many times people in college, people like you and I, think we are invinceable. They think that if we play it smart, we won't get caught. We're good people. We will be leaders in our society one day. But the bottom line is this....if you sell drugs for any length of time.....you will get caught......regardless of whether or not you played it stupid or smart.

My friend Carly graduated 1st in his class, out of 600+ students. He was 2 semesters away from having his degree in Finance, then he got nailed. The same was for Jason, Omhar, Joe, both Brents and Burnedette. 2 out of all those turned rat and got lighter sentences....2 years...and the other only got probation.

Drugs being illegal causes a problem both for users and non-users.

When I came up here from south-florida I was shocked to see all these kids doing XTC. I went through that $hit in highschool, as did most people who are from South-Florida. The problem began when my buddies saw that these kids up here at UF would pay
30$ for something they could buy in bulk back home for 8$.

When the XTC boom hit UF in 1998,1999 and 2000....kids were going ape shit. Eventually the street price dropped from 30$ a pill in 98' to the 15$ of present date. Greed set in when they saw how much money that were making off of the crapp. I mean think about it......they were selling 5,000 pills of XTC a week in gainesville....bought them for 8$ a piece back home. The 1st year they sold them at 30$ a piece but inorder to keep their buisness profitable, they lowered the price in 99' to 20$ a pill. Needless to say, they were the drug dealers of G-ville and they were making tons of cash. My friend jason bought a house and paid for it in cash. Carly was one of the smart ones and put money away for attorney fees in case they got busted. They ran their buisness for 1 year and 8 months before they got nailed. During the time period it was estimated that they made between 2,000,000 to 3.5,000,000 dollars between the 5 of them.

Now this is how if affected the non-users......

Because of their bust.....the city of Gainesville used their case for the call to arms inorder to keep it's city safe from drugs and "Late night dance parties"....... So what did they do? They made all the downtown buisnesses shut their doors at 2:00am, killing their buisness. Most kids back then didn't even get ready to go out until 1:00am. It killed the buisness for the clubs and bars. Many owners went under and had to shut down. Some went bankrupt. They ADULTS were now being told when they had to go home as if they were children.

Now: what did it do to the non-users who weren't buisness owners.......

The closing time laws then made it to where there was massive binge drinking in town inorder to squeeze in the last drinks before closing time......causing more deaths...more drunk drivers, more DUIs....kids loosing the chance for a college education because of one mistake, a mistake the city induced by it's reactions to certain situations.

Now binge drinking was occuring at UF

So, what did the brilliant leaders of the city do? They started the party Patrol....costing the people of Gainesville more money in taxes to pay those stupid cops more money to drive around and munch on doughnuts. And who started this crapp to begin with? Look back the begining of this post......the POLICE and drugs not being legal.

sororitygirl2 · #18 10-24-2002, 02:06 PM

The drug topic seems to be very popular on GC this week...

UF_PikePC98 · #19 10-24-2002, 02:49 PM

Yea I know, check out the hazing forum of Greekchat....

Look in the Date-rape drug thread....

I've been "voicing"my opinion in that thread as well....

librasoul22 · #20 10-24-2002, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
I said that because many times people in college, people like you and I, think we are invinceable. They think that if we play it smart, we won't get caught. We're good people. We will be leaders in our society one day. But the bottom line is this....if you sell drugs for any length of time.....you will get caught......regardless of whether or not you played it stupid or smart.

Okay, cool, thanks for clarifying.

Legalize drugs, don't legalize drugs, blahdy blah. Y'all truly don't wanna get me started on drugs and their laws. I am pretty sure that I could bring PM Mama and Neicy81 back out if I REALLY wanted to! LOL

DeltAlum · #21 10-24-2002, 03:36 PM

When I was in college in the 60's, the police did "no knock" raids and students were sent away to twenty years of hard time for simple possission of marijuana.

Ridiculous.

However, you will not convince our daughter that "weed" is not addictive. While there may not be a chemical reaction which causes a physical addiction, the "high" is something she enjoyed so much that she kept going back. That may not fit the legitimate definition of addiction, but at least to her, it was more than she could or wanted to fight.

Was she particularly weak. Maybe. It doesn't matter.

She went from marijuana to many other "harder" drugs. For a couple of years she was nearly not a functioning human being. She partied when she could drag herself out of bed and slept the rest of the time.

Somehow she realized that she was very close to killing herself and checked herself into a detox program which relies of peer pressure instead of psychologists, etc. She was never caught or arrested. Nobody forced her into the program. She did it herself.

Thank God.

Should marijuana be leagalized? Maybe -- although for some people, it's not the "harmless" substance that many argue. Should all drugs be legalized. No.

A parent's anguish watching a child, who is self-destructing, lose three years of her life is something I hope none of the rest of you ever have to face.

mrblonde · #22 10-24-2002, 04:02 PM

Optimist- slow or not, if youre not paying attention while driving, it is possible to hit and kill someone going 20 mph...

ktsnake- You dont have to be violent to kill somebody behind the wheel of a car. Also, the only reason Danielle van Dams parents couldnt stop the guy who kidnapped and murdered her was because they were stoned.

shadokat · #23 10-24-2002, 05:22 PM

I'm sorry, but I see a huge difference with smoking marajuana and doing cocaine and ecstasy. BIG difference...maybe I'm just naive because I never did any of the "harder" drugs...pot was it, along with the fun and legal alcohol.

My concern is that you're mad PC Pike that your friends and brothers in fraternities are being arrested for drug possession/dealing/etc. and you think that's not ok, but is a drug dealer really someone you want representing your fraternity? Just playing devil's advocate

UF_PikePC98 · #24 10-24-2002, 06:17 PM

First, let me clarify things up, the guys dealing XTC were not in my Frat. They were not in a frat at all. The guys in the most recent bust, the cocaine sting, were. I'm not saying which two they were in, but rest assure they were not PIKES.

My brother, from another school, who had posseion of a drug didn't look at it being illegal since in his country it was legal. When he first came to this country for school it was legal, then it was taken off the shelve and made illegal.

I'm not mad that they got busted. If they're dealing them, it's only a matter of time. I'm pissed that people set up the users, the ones who aren't doing it for money but rather as their own recreational use. And the guy who set them up, is actually known by almost everyone in Gainesville and is a good friend of mine. That leaves me in a bad place. I'm someones friend until they do me wrong. The guy hasn't done me wrong, yet, and so i don't know what to do. It's hard to be friends with someone who others will now hate. On the other hand I know he had to do what he did inorder to save his own a$$. He got busted this past summer for some really hefty $hit, just as he opened up another club ( which I totally knew was just a front for some shady drug operation.). I'm pissed that friends of ours who KNEW he got nailed still went to him for their weekend Gas. An ounce of cocaine is nothing to play with. Thats 3 eight balls.

UF_PikePC98 · #25 10-24-2002, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by sororitygirl2
The drug topic seems to be very popular on GC this week...

There's a reply in your Pm box. Check it. I'm about to leave for the weekend.

I need the relaxation of the Keys.

DeltAlum · #26 10-24-2002, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
I'm pissed that people set up the users, the ones who aren't doing it for money but rather as their own recreational use.

It's remarkable, but we may finally have something to agree on.

I'm not sure it ever does any good to arrest someone for recreational use. I don't know what that accomplishes in the overall scheme of things. It clogs up the courts and jails, and generally ends up in some kind of probation. Why bother?

Selling or providing drugs for/to other people is something else.

Optimist Prime · #27 10-24-2002, 07:01 PM

Man, pot should be legal. I mean come on. No substance is completly harmless. If you eat enough bread you'll get cancer. Does this mean they should outlaw bread? No. Should bread come with a warning label? Yes. So should weed. "Warning: This substance will cause a severe craving for pickles and a compulsion to watch Spounge Bob Square Pants"

valkyrie · #28 10-24-2002, 07:03 PM

So those of you who argue that drugs should *not* be legalized -- are you saying that because (1) people who are on drugs hurt others or (2) the government has to protect people from themselves (meaning the government has to make laws to prevent people from doing drugs)?

lifesaver · #29 10-24-2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum

It's remarkable, but we may finally have something to agree on.

Quote of the week folx. Right there.

lol

bruinaphi · #30 10-24-2002, 07:34 PM

As a former employee of the Los Angeles DA's Office's Organized Crime Task Force, I am firm believer in the legalization of drugs. It is really the dealers who need to be taken out, not the users. In the time I spend doing preliminary hearings in our court system, most of my drug use cases were incidental possession charges (i.e., usually homeless people, people who already had strikes under CA's 3 strikes law or people who were known gang members got nervous when they saw the cops and tried to dispose of their drugs [a.k.a. drop cases], or people were being busted for something else and they were in possession when apprehended). Our officers did not do "stings" to bust users. That would be a complete waste of resources.

I do have concerns about the legalization of certain drugs (i.e., heroin) and what would happen to our prescription medication system if drugs were legalized. I believe in our prescription medication system b/c without it we would likely cause the bacteria to mutate faster and make it more difficult for the doctors to treat us when we are really sick.

UF_Pike, while I disagree with what happened to your buddies, drug use is illegal and people who regularly break the law have to expect that if they break certain laws on an ongoing basis they might be apprehended. If that many of your friends have been arrested lately you might want to examine who you are friends with.