The Old Greek System vs. The New Greek System - Page 2

Delta_theta · #16 05-12-2002, 03:40 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
No, I joined my freshman year, when I was 18. I did not drink until I turned 21. I was offered, but I decided of my own will, not to. And I was not pressured to do it.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
besides drinking? no.

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?

"socials?" I'm guessing exchanges, parties, etc..

well, we are on a trimester, and throw a party an average of every 3 weeks, have two sororities, and do one exchange a year(with each) and get serniaded 1 time a term by each.

4: Average number of members at chapter?

before rush: 20-25. After rush: 30-40
Currently: 32

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
on my campus: 5 fraternities, 2 sororities. IN the past, before my time, it was 7 and 5.

6: Number of times you drank in your house?
um. it's legal to. so I don't know.

7: Rush Class size (average)?
12-15

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
oh my. A lot. But thats my own choice to be so involved.

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
some weeks, none. Others, 4? maybe a little more on the random occasion.

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
because of work(I work in a computer lab) and homework, I'd say at least 5 a day.

11: Year of undergrad membership?
1999(there is no fall term rush)-

12: Hazed? (be honest)
Not even once.

douthit · #17 05-12-2002, 03:49 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Before college

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? six on semester basis

4: Average number of members at chapter? 15

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? eight fraternities, four sororities

6: Number of times you drank in your house? too many to count

7: Rush Class size (average)? 4

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? about 15

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 6-8 hours

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? about 10

11: Year of undergrad membership? 2001- (second year)

12: Hazed? (be honest) No

13. Old or New? Personally, I like the new system. I have heard crazy things from alumni in the past that sounded like a lot of fun, but could have had serious consequences. I think the aspect of brother/sisterhood has not been adversely affected by computers and televisions and stuff like that.

FuzzieAlum · #18 05-13-2002, 12:50 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? No
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? Three
4: Average number of members at chapter? 30
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 5
6: Number of times you drank in your house? No house
7: Rush Class size (average)? 6
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 6?
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 2
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? 20?
11: Year of undergrad membership? 4
12: Hazed? (be honest) No way
13: Old or new? I'm not sure I understand the question. The system has been evolving ever since Phi Beta Kappa was formed over 200 years ago. Where are we drawing a line?

phisigQT · #19 05-13-2002, 12:58 PM

1: Yes
2: Nope
3: 5
4: 30
5: 4 other pha chpaters
6: We don';t have a house
7: 8
8: 5-10
9: 0-4
10: 20
11: Fall of 2000
12: No
13: I prefer what I have always known...I love it and wouldn't have it any other wya

AOIIBrandi · #20 05-13-2002, 01:38 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes, but it started in H.S.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Yes once, but not as a result of being greek (with non-greeks)

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 2 or 3

4: Average number of members at chapter? 125

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 7 sororities, 13 fraternities

6: Number of times you drank in your house? Did not have a house.

7: Rush Class size (average)? 30

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? about 15, more when I was an officer.

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 6-8 hours (weekends)

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? about 25(My Major)

11: Year of undergrad membership? 1994

12: Hazed? (be honest) No Way

13. Old or New? Old. I was the first NM class to go through the 8 week instead of the 2 quarter pledge process. You started noticing minor changes in sisterhood after that, but as all of the new stuff came / comes down you start noticing major changes.

rivalee · #21 05-13-2002, 01:45 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes, of course I still am in college.
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? No, will not ever touch those.
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 4 or 5
4: Average number of members at chapter? 100 per house
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 4 chapters (sorors) and 6 frats
6: Number of times you drank in your house? 1
7: Rush Class size (average)? 35
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 2 or 3
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 4 or 5 per Friday or Saturday
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? dunno, a lot
11: Year of undergrad membership? 2000
12: Hazed? (be honest) Nope, not a bit
13: I wish the rules were a little more relaxed. I think some "hazing" can be fun.

dzandiloo · #22 05-13-2002, 05:09 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Every once in a while.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Never.

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 3 with other organizations, + 2-3 sisterhood socials (We were on semester system)

4: Average number of members at chapter? 53

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 3 on my campus

6: Number of times you drank in your house? No house.

7: Rush Class size (average)? Does this mean # of women going through rush, or number of women pledged in our chapter? We averaged 100 rushees, quota was usually b/t 22-30

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 10+

9: Hours spent being inebriated a week? Less than once a week…

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? Alas, I was in college pre-PC’s

11: Year of undergrad membership? 88-92

12: Hazed? (be honest) Not in the least.

13: Would you choose to live in the old or new system? Hard to say what the differences are...My chapter tended to comply with rules and regs in the strictest sense of the word, so much so that even our HQ told us we were reading things a little too literally…so I don’t think much has changed since then…we had a strong sisterhood, and from what I have observed in my chapter, and the collegiate chapters of other organizations I have been exposed to recently, I think I would be happy in either system…although I think the pledge period has become a little too abbreviated… Bottom line, I think those chapters that concentrate on the sisterhood/brotherhood are, and will always remain, the strongest—those that worry about narrower things like constant partying, and getting around risk management policies, etc. will not last.

Betarulz! · #23 05-13-2002, 05:29 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes, most weekends
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Haven't yet, probably won't.
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? I'm guessing by social you mean with another house. We don't have any rules on the number we can have...becomes more a budgetary issue. First Semester we had probably 4 date parties, "froshes" (which are mixers with the pledge classes of one fraternity and one sorority) nearly every thursday so that was probably 9 times or so. Then on about a third of the home football weekends we had a barbeque before the game with the sorority that was in our block so that's another 2-3. Throw in formal, and three other theme parties and I guess for first semester it was more than 20 total. However for second semester it was less b/c of budgetary issues...probably only had about 10 total.
4: Average number of members at chapter? 55 out of 84 members
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?18 IFC (plus more 3 chapters on either suspension or nearly extinct) 4 NPHC, 14 NPC, 2 MCGLO.
6: Number of times you drank in your house? Never
7: Rush Class size (average)? You mean for the entire university? I have no idea...
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? probably 5-8
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 12 hours total over the course of the weekend (obviously not counting sleeping time)
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? For homework, or just anytime??? For homework probably 1-3...anytime (including GC) more like 20
11: Year of undergrad membership? Fall 2001
12: Hazed? (be honest) Absolutely not

aephi alum · #24 05-13-2002, 07:09 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes, on occasion
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Other than alcohol, no.
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 4-5 per semester
4: Average number of members at chapter? around 30
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 5 sororities, about 25 fraternities, 5 coed groups
6: Number of times you drank in your house? N/A, no house
7: Rush Class size (average)? Formal rush: quota was around 30, we typically had around 10. Informal rush: 1 or 2
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 10-15 depending on which offices I held at the time
9: Hours spent being inebriated a week? Only got drunk on rare occasion
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? A lot - I majored in computer science after all

11: Year of undergrad membership? 1993-1997
12: Hazed? (be honest) I don't feel I was hazed, but some of the things I was asked to do (pledge project, etc) would be considered hazing today.
13: Old/New: A combination. For instance, the more egregious types of hazing (degradation, forced consumption of alcohol, etc) needed to go, but they threw the baby out with the bath water... how is asking your new members to put together a potluck dinner "hazing"?

MoxieGrrl · #25 05-13-2002, 10:17 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? No

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 5 per semester

4: Average number of members at chapter? About 30

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 4 sororities, 6 fraternities

6: Number of times you drank in your house? A lot....

7: Rush Class size (average)? Open recruitment usually gave sororities 1 - 5 people; formal recruitment was anywhere from 9 to 16 when I was there

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 20; I had a lot of offices!

9: Hours spent being inebriated a week? 2

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? 5

11: Year of undergrad membership? 1998-2002

12: Hazed? (be honest) Nope

13: Old/New: Old; as in the fun days where you didn't have to worry that hurting someone's feelings was going to land you in jail; I don't think I would like to have been beaten or made to drink until I puked, but the rules are just too strict now!

LexiKD · #26 05-14-2002, 12:29 PM

1. Yes but not at a KD function
2. Never in my life
3. 1-3 per week, 1 Formal or semiformal...ECU is a party school and they do not see issues with that many parties...ask them when they study, who knows!
4. 65 was total
5. 9 NPC groups APhi, ZTA, SSS, KD, Chi O, DZ, AOPi, AZD, ADPi
6. Never had a house and wouldn't have if we did!
7. Mine was 57 during colonization...average would be 10-20...depends on how many graduates...
8. Too many hours to count, was on PH Exec as well
9. Not many...too little to count
10. Too many to count, at least a few a day in the computer lab
11. 3 in a local and 1.5 in KD from Colonization to graduation
12. NEVER
13. Old vs. New? NEW! With so many risk mgmt. issues today the rules set everyone straight and keep our members safe. Although you have to be more creative to find the balance b/w safe and fun, we still had a great time! I wouldn't trade any of my Greek life for anything, but the switch from local to national was an eye opener and I can see why the new system is what is best for all our groups.

RubberSoul · #27 05-14-2002, 05:27 PM

1. Yes I drank unlawfully in college.....

2. Drugs....? Well I believe I may have smoked pot once or twice early in college, and then never touched drugs again. My big "experimenting" was in high school.

3. Number of socials......this is a toughie.....maybe 3 or 4 official ones on the calendar, but there were always others.

4. Average # of members at chapter......probably 80 to 100

5. Total chapters.....2 local sororities, 6 NPC sororities, 13 IFC fraternities

6. Number of times I drank in my house.....only 1 or 2

7. Rush class size.....I rushed with 500 other women, my pledge class was 48 (that was down considerably from the previous year.) Fraternity rush was much less structured and class size varied but was much smaller than the girls'.

8. Hours spent doing house-related things....on average maybe 20

9. Hours spent inebriated per week??? Maybe 4-5

10. Hours on the computer per week??? Less than 2

11. Undergrad membership....1990-1994

12. Hazed.....well some things happened that would be considered hazing by others but to me they were fun.....I was never made to feel uncomfortable or upset......

13. Old vs. New.......I would pick the old system ANYday. I really think we just had so much more fun then. I think I was one of the very last of the "old schoolers" because things were just starting to change right after I left. I am an advisor now and I can't believe the crap that is going on. I can't believe all the rules, all the things that have changed, all the old traditions that have been ruined, and the general apathy of the members. Nobody wants to be involved anymore and it sure is no surprise to me.....what incentive do they have? They aren't allowed to do anything!!!

ThetaxiUW · #28 05-14-2002, 07:55 PM

Being the person who started this, I should probably say something about this.

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? yes
2. Did you experiment with drugs in college? No, just revisited from HS
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 2
4: Average number of members at chapter? 40 guys in our house
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 16 sororoties, 28 fraternities
6: Number of times you drank in your house? 0
7: Rush Class size (average)? 8 a couple of years ago, now they will be around 20 or so average
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 25 hours, House Manger and Event Chair
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 10-12
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? 15 or so
11: Year of undergrad membership? In my sorority? 2001-present
12: Hazed? No
13. Old system or New system? Old

As you can see if you read these posts. People seem to be unhappy with "all the rules". Many people in my house have agreed that we are leaving a age of conservatism and entering a age of liberalism. Anyone agree? It's time for a reelection, anyone with me? I thought this would be a good way to find out what is happening around the country. To hear an advisor say that the rules are too strict and creating less brotherhood/sisterhood is amazing to me as a undergrad. Its my senior year and I'll soon be an alum, we'll see what happens in the future

LexiKD · #29 05-14-2002, 10:24 PM

Jay: 1st...thanks for starting this topic it has been interesting! 2nd..if an advisor would say that the rules hurt brotherhood/sisterhood then maybe it hasn't sunk in? I would think accidents that were the chapter's fault would hurt sisterhood more so then playing by the rules...

I'm an Alumnae Association President and since I am the youngest out of the bunch, I have to explain lots of new policy and such to the older members who came before the new system, if you will...

I find the rules rough at times, and yes they do take time to get used to and if you are used to not being so strict then it seems like a 100% change. BUT, I came from a local organization to a national one, a true change and we were "pitched" the changes in a positive light so we never really thought about it.

Exactly what are the major issues we have problems with? New social policy...risk mgmt in general....hazing..what is it that sucks, or is it the mentality that it is hard now and that instead of putting our time and effort into making it work we put our time and efforts into saying and gripping about how we dislike it?

I think national organizations find that chapter to chapter and campus to campus we all deal with it differently and we have to educate instead of dictate...I think more education would be the key to solving these debates.

33girl · #30 05-14-2002, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by LexiKD
2nd..if an advisor would say that the rules hurt brotherhood/sisterhood then maybe it hasn't sunk in?

Or maybe it means that the advisor has an opinion of their own that was formed from their experience and doesn't concur with that of the national organization. That is allowed, last I checked.