The Old Greek System vs. The New Greek System

ThetaxiUW · #1 05-11-2002, 10:09 PM

Who here as a undergraduate member would want to be in the old greek system as opposed to this new system? It seem as though that the many many rules we have come to live by get in the way of the ideals that fraternities and sororities teach. Not to say that this is some sort of a rebellion against the system, but more of confidence vote on it. Granted the old one had problems, but so does this one. So let's weigh the sides of alumni and undergrads. I'll pose a question, I'll get the answers, and then we can see if the changes have done good things.

Remember, both undergrads and alumni/alumnae vote on this.

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
4: Average number of members at chapter?
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
6: Number of times you drank in your house?
7: Rush Class size (average)?
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
11: Year of undergrad membership?
12: Hazed? (be honest)

Okay a lot of these things seem to not pertain to anything. but you'll see the differences when the numbers come in. The hours thing is suppose to show what tudents do with their time in a week. I think older alumni don't understand the society that we (undergrads) live in today. They never had a cell phone, or a tv in their room, or had all these rules to break (So many rules so little time).

Lets see what turns up!

ThetaxiUW · #2 05-11-2002, 10:10 PM

Forgot a question:

13: Would you choose to live in the old or new system?

This was the main point, just forgot it...

#3 05-11-2002, 10:30 PM

1. Yes (but truthfully not that much)

2. Nope, never a drug (ok well alcohol is a drug so that)

3. 12-15 socials (at UM every org has at least one ting planned every weekend, even before classes start, cept for breaks of course)

4. 40 out of 44 girls at chapter

5. 25 if you're talking about chapter meeting,
as far as sororities its been an average of 17 NPC's and 3 NPHC's soros and 4 MC/Local soros.

6. 0

7. 900-1000 girls go through rush, rush classes are 60 girls. Average pledge/new member class is 45+. Our average since we were recolonized is about 20.

8. 15+ hours (I probably lived there more the my own place)

9. 6

10. About 6-7 hours a day

11. 2000

12. Never hazed at all (although I think it could have been funny to have 40-60 yr old women haze us. We were rushed by our IHQ)

13.Don't know much about the old, but I really don't have much problems with the new.I would probably go with old though just because their seemed to be a bigger sense of brotherhood/sisterhood and more people wanting to make it a LIFETIME committment and not just 4 years. People from the "old system" seem more proud to wear their letters be it collegians or alumni and not care what people thought.

Sorry had to change my stuff cuz I wasnt sure about some of the questions

PenguinTrax · #4 05-11-2002, 10:34 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?

No, age in Iowa (just across the border) was 19 when I pledged.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?

Nope - never before or since.

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?

We were on a semester system. Maybe 2 a semester?

4: Average number of members at chapter?

45-50

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?

Four (still is, too)

6: Number of times you drank in your house?

n/a - commuter campus

7: Rush Class size (average)?

12

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?

n/a

9: Hours spent being inebriated a week?

No idea - usually just drank on the weekends.

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?

n/a - PCs came around after I graduated.

11: Year of undergrad membership?

1982-86 (pledged as a sophomore)

12: Hazed? (be honest)

Nope - unheard of in our chapter.

dzsaigirl · #5 05-12-2002, 12:00 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes, but I did it before I went Greek, not because of it!

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Absolutely not, and I NEVER have, never will!

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 4 per semester

4: Average number of members at chapter? Chapter total = 46

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 6 sororities

6: Number of times you drank in your house? No alcohol in the house!!!!

7: Rush Class size (average)? about 120 girls, very small number

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? You mean the physical HOUSE or sorority stuff? Clarify...

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? <1

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? 7

11: Year of undergrad membership? Years you mean?...4

12: Hazed? (be honest) Not in my sorority, but in band yes.

Glitter650 · #6 05-12-2002, 02:02 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Once....
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? Never taken a drug in my life..
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 3
4: Average number of members at chapter? 24
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? You mean other sorors on campus or other chapters of my Org at different schools ?? there are 3 other NPC sorors on my campus.. and 118 chapters of my org nationally
6: Number of times you drank in your house? don't have a house..
7: Rush Class size (average)? 7 (Mine was 4)
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? I'd say 15 including stuff I do on my own to get ready for the next meeting or whatever.. maybe 10 out at a meeting or social or whatever
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? .0000001 I drink like once every 3 months
10: Hours spent on the computer a week? around 10
11: Year of undergrad membership? 2002 =)
12: Hazed? (be honest) I pledged a local that hazed me... but now I belong to a national that did not haze at all..

I'd have to say I"m VERY happy with my experience in Phi Sig.. but I don't really know what it would be like to be in the old greek system... so.. since I've had a good time.. I think the rules we're following now seem good to me.. but who knows..

aggieAXO · #7 05-12-2002, 02:55 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
yes

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
no

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
3-4

4: Average number of members at chapter?
140

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
11

6: Number of times you drank in your house?
none

7: Rush Class size (average)?
52-55 were class sizes about 600-700 went through rush

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
5

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
6

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
none

11: Year of undergrad membership?
2

12: Hazed? (be honest)
no

aggieAXO · #8 05-12-2002, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThetaxiUW
Forgot a question:

13: Would you choose to live in the old or new system?

This was the main point, just forgot it...

old definitely ( I am alum, went alum in 94)

MoonStar17 · #9 05-12-2002, 03:23 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
Yes,

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
No, and I dont think I ever will

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
6

4: Average number of members at chapter?
73 members

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
There are 5 other Panhellenic organizations on campus

6: Number of times you drank in your house?
We dont have a house here at my school

7: Rush Class size (average)?
21 one of us originally, only 20 innitiated (one left for money reasons)

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
about 9 hours a week doing things related to my organization, thats on a slow week, when we have upcoming events and important things there are more of course

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
I usually dont drink to the point of oblivion..and even when I do drink its not that often, soooo I would say maybe only a few times in the month if that...not a very typical thing to do

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
Alot

11: Year of undergrad membership?
Ive been in my organization for 2 years now, rushed in Fall 2000

12: Hazed? (be honest)
No, NOT at all...

13. I have never known the old system, BUT from speaking with alums it seems that the old system brings about a new person, a person who has more respect for their organization as well as a person who really has alot of heart to put into it...the old system is full of many traditions that i feel the new system has kind of wiped off...but who knows...ill let the older alums on this board give their opinion...
but for now sure...the new system is good

SATX*APhi · #10 05-12-2002, 04:20 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? YES, BUT THAT STARTED IN HIGH SCHOOL....

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? NOPE

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 3

4: Average number of members at chapter? 25

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 4 SORORITIES

6: Number of times you drank in your house? WE DO NOT HAVE A HOUSE

7: Rush Class size (average)? 10

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? MEETINGS, SOCIALS, PHILANTHROPY, ETC....7

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? 4

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? WAY TOO MANY

11: Year of undergrad membership? 2001

12: Hazed? (be honest) NOT AT ALL

13: Would you choose to live in the old or new system? I WOULD LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THE OLD SYSTEM, HOWEVER, I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NEW SYSTEM, SINCE IT IS ALL I KNOW.

AOX81 · #11 05-12-2002, 09:29 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
Yes, but only with my ex-boyfriend. I didn't join my sorority until 4 months before I became 21 and never drank with them until after my birthday.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
Yes, a couple times with my younger brother. Had nothing to do with Greek Life.

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
12-15 socials (probably 1 or 2 a week)

4: Average number of members at chapter?
25-40

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
4 sororities, 2 fraternities at hour school. 5 sororities, 11 fraternities at very nearby school.

6: Number of times you drank in your house?
When I didn't live in the house I drank there maybe twice a month. When I did live in the house I probably drank there twice a week before we (me and my husband) went to the bar...it's cheaper to drink beforehand, drinks at bars are too expensive.

7: Rush Class size (average)?
7-10

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
Are we talking about house as a physical structure or house as the sorority? Physical = 5 hours, Sorority = 20 hours

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
Maybe 4 or 5. When it was me and my husbands last semester of school it was more often.

10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
5 hours

11: Years of undergrad membership?
4 years

12: Hazed? (be honest)
Nope

13. Old Way

ZTAngel · #12 05-12-2002, 09:29 AM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? yes
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? no
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? we are on a semester system so there are usually about 10 socials a semester
4: Average number of members at chapter? our chapter has about 180 but I don't know exactly how many members the other chapters have
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 10 sororities and I think there are 17 fraternities
6: Number of times you drank in your house? never
7: Rush Class size (average)? about 67
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? I'm not sure....
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? depends on the week

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? probably about 7 (an hour a day)
11: Year of undergrad membership? 1999
12: Hazed? (be honest) not at all

Tom Earp · #13 05-12-2002, 10:55 AM

Answering questions from my Last School:

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? NO

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? NO

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 4

4: Average number of members at chapter? 45-60

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 6 Fraternitys-4 Soroitys

6: Number of times you drank in your house? NONE, not allowed

7: Rush Class size (average)? 100 Fraterniyt more for Soroitys

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? ? work or what?
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? Just at social functions

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? 0 did not have back in my time
11: Year of undergrad membership? 2
12: Hazed? (be honest) NO NO NO

13: Old way/ New Way:

I feel the old way is better. We did things as a Brotherhood, no hazing of course, I would not allow it!

Today everyone has a computor, TV, Sound System and Refrigerator in in their room!

Try to find a group of Brothers in the Main Common Room having fun today!? HAHA!

You can do the new way and live in the dorm as an independent, but where is the feeling of being a family?

DeltAlum · #14 05-12-2002, 12:45 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully? Yes -- Beer drinking age was 18 -- Drank underage in HS. Also, Drank "high" beer and liquor before age 21.

2: Did you experiment with drugs in college? No

3: Number of socials a quarter (average)? 8-10

4: Average number of members at chapter? 40-45

5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member? 16 fraternities - 13 sororities

6: Number of times you drank in your house? Once or twice in upperclassmen's rooms. Our parties (even way back then, were mostly third party vendors

7: Rush Class size (average)? 12-15

8: Hours spent doing house related things a week? 8

9: Hours spent being enebriated a week? Only been really drunk a couple of times in my life. Impaired? Not many, really.

10: Hours spent on the computer a week? Didn't have PC's in the 60's.

11: Year of undergrad membership? 1966

12: Hazed? (be honest) Yes, under today's definition(s)

13: Would you choose to live in the old or new system? Either -- social traditions change with the times.

LeslieAGD · #15 05-12-2002, 12:47 PM

1: Did you drink in college unlawfully?
Yes, but very little
2: Did you experiment with drugs in college?
Nope
3: Number of socials a quarter (average)?
Three
4: Average number of members at chapter?
45
5: Total number of chapters during your time as a member?
Nine sororities, Eleven fraternities
6: Number of times you drank in your house?
Maybe seven? But they were unofficial.
7: Rush Class size (average)?
12
8: Hours spent doing house related things a week?
At least ten
9: Hours spent being enebriated a week?
Never
10: Hours spent on the computer a week?
Too many to count
11: Year of undergrad membership?
Initiated in 1999
12: Hazed? (be honest)
Nope
13: New/Old?
I've definitely noticed the shift in the past three years.
I think there are good things about the old and the new...
I think the new would be okay if it would relax a little.
It seems that a lot of the fun has gone out of it and it's a lot more about rules