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AlphaGam1019 · #16 01-15-2002, 11:25 AM

ugh, I think we're talking about 3 different things here! lol

ZZ-kai- · #17 01-15-2002, 01:29 PM

Whoops, my bad. Reagan is still not an ATO.

Optimist Prime · #18 01-15-2002, 04:56 PM

I still feel dirty even knowing what the books LOOK like.

this is why ritual books should be property of the fraternity.

hocnsoc81 · #19 01-15-2002, 05:53 PM

What could happen to a member if she/he tells any of their GLO secrets? Honest question, please no flaming. Thank you.

Tom Earp · #20 01-15-2002, 06:12 PM

Beef, while I do not know what the TKE Ritual looks like, I figure it is none of my Business! I am soory if it is the real thing!

I do not know about other Geeks but ours are accounted for and go back in the safe with the Ritual Equipment each time.

There always going to be Greek Items on any bid site and I try to get important items off. I do not bid against my Fellow Brothers as I check them out on Ebay as they bid.

While I have many Freinds on the site who are from other Greek Orgs., My main concern is my own Fraternity and feel that I want my things with my Fraternity!

I hope none take me wrong on this as I am a total Greek Supporter!

CutiePie2000 · #21 01-15-2002, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by hocnsoc81
What could happen to a member if she/he tells any of their GLO secrets? Honest question, please no flaming. Thank you.

Okay, I'll bite. When you are initiated, you are asked whether you will keep the ritual of XYZ fraternity or ACB sorority secret. If you say, yes, then you are taking a VOW and yep, people are around to witness your doing so. You are making a verbal CONTRACT.

I think if a person was going to reveal the secrets of their GLO, it would be indicative in their behaviour well before initiation time and thus, they would likely not be initiated, or asked to give some thought as to whether they wish to continue on the path towards initiated membership.

If someone does get initiated, and bears witness to their GLO's secrets and then blabs them all over town, I am not sure what a GLO could do. Perhaps take away their membership and that is all...I don't know if they could be sued in court, but then again as a member, the person did TAKE A VOW and this was WITNESSED by others, so I wouldn't rule out being SUED for fraud as an impossibility.
I am sure that in 99.99% of GLO's, YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOUR NAME too that, as a member, you accept the responsibiity of safeguarding the secrets of your GLO, as a show of good faith, and let's not forget that your signature would make your vow LEGALLY BINDING.

What's more, if someone blabbed around town the secrets, the other members would probably decide to "have some fun with them" and refute what the blabber is saying as being the "real secrets". And then who is going to know who is really telling the truth??

A few hours later....
I also thought I'd mention that to become a member of a GLO can be (in some cases on some campuses) pretty expensive. Dues can be high, but the benefit of this is, upon graduation, you have the benefit of a network of other members who you can potentially speak to about jobs, references, getting introductions to, etc. Sound like pretty good benefits to me!

If a person becomes an initiate and then goes around blabbing the secrets of their GLO, not only will that ex-member alienate themselves from the members of their GLO, but other Greeks likely won't hold them in high esteem either (and I bet GDI's wouldn't as well, after all, this person's "word" is now worthless and should be suspect).
Why would someone want to cut themselves off from such a potentially valuable network?
Becoming a member and then blabbing the secrets thereafter doesn't sound like a good idea to me!

James · #22 01-15-2002, 10:42 PM

I appreciate what you are saying Cutiepie200, but I am not sure what we swore amounts to a legal non-discolsure agreement with perscribed penalties.

I am sure that losing your affiliation would be a forgone conclusion. Pressing charges would be not advisable because that would bring the Ritual itself under direct scrutiny in a public forum (court).

If someone really wants to babble about it. The best thing to do is ignore it, because who will know the truth anyway? And as Cutiepie2000 said, you can enhance the mystery of the Ritual by subtle hints as to what is true or not.

The biggest downfall of secrecy is probably people telling their significant others. There was a thread on here earlier about women divulging secrets, that may be, but I know of girls whose past boyfriends have divulged way more than they should. But pillow talk is pretty powerful.

ZZ-kai- · #23 01-16-2002, 09:06 AM

Here is a link to a newly posted Phi Delta Theta ritual book on ebay. I don't know why all these are showing up at the same time???

Links are gone.

AlphaGam1019 · #24 01-16-2002, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
Here is a link to a newly posted Phi Delta Theta ritual book on ebay. I don't know why all these are showing up at the same time???

Beef · #25 01-16-2002, 10:58 AM

There was a discussion about this(the TKE book) on the mailing list. I kind of agree with what was said...

Basically, just let it go!! By raising a big stink about it we are only increasing the value of the book to outsiders. Making our "secrets" only that much more interesting to them. If you see something, just notify the groups nationals or PM a member. By putting it up here all we are doing is giving them free advertising and raising the value and mystique of the books...

Just my .02

KABillyMac · #26 01-16-2002, 12:24 PM

Everyone forget that this is going on please. Its one thing that the books are there, its a whole other thing that we, as greeks, are on this message board posting links to these sales. I wanna kick myself in the ass for clicking on the link to one of those. I cant take it back now but I really wish I could. I have no earthly idea what possesed me to do it, I think that it was out of pure amazement. I really think we should all just act like none of this is going on and let the members of these orgs find these books and return them to their respective orgs. Also, why in the world did one of these books have in big bold letters THE RITUAL OF XYZ. Holy shit. Thats not a real intelligent move by the writer of that book. No disrespect to the time that they put into writing these masterpeices, the tie that binds the members of these fraternities, but I really dont think that having your letters on the first page of the book was such a hot idea. Thats why ritual guides should be set up to where the true secrets can be communicated by mouth, instead of read from paper. The way I see it, and I always have, when you pick up a copy of these manuals, the only way you should know what organization that it belongs to is if you are a MEMBER of that organization. Sorry to get off on a tangent there but I just wanted to point that out.

ZZ-kai- · #27 01-16-2002, 06:39 PM

How can any of us forget this is going on. This is some good $hit, in a bad way. If I wouldn't have posted those sites, everyone would have been the same person they are now anyway (maybe minus a few ulcers here and there). So if you see a link and you think you might just pee your pants when you get there, don't click it.

My house has this great book of secrets, it even says on the binder, "Beta Secrets". Go ahead and tell me you wouldn't pick it up, and I don't think I'd believe you. Anyway, its great. When people open it, acting all sneaky and all, then finger through all 200 pages and realize that its all blank, I do nothing but laugh at them.

So, the next time you are all alone at some old ladies garage sale and see a book stating "XYZ Ritual Book" for $3.50, go ahead an pass on by. Curiousity kills the cat, right? Wrong. This $hit happens every day.

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Originally posted by KABillyMac
Everyone forget that this is going on please. Its one thing that the books are there, its a whole other thing that we, as greeks, are on this message board posting links to these sales. I wanna kick myself in the ass for clicking on the link to one of those. I cant take it back now but I really wish I could. I have no earthly idea what possesed me to do it, I think that it was out of pure amazement. I really think we should all just act like none of this is going on and let the members of these orgs find these books and return them to their respective orgs. Also, why in the world did one of these books have in big bold letters THE RITUAL OF XYZ. Holy shit. Thats not a real intelligent move by the writer of that book. No disrespect to the time that they put into writing these masterpeices, the tie that binds the members of these fraternities, but I really dont think that having your letters on the first page of the book was such a hot idea. Thats why ritual guides should be set up to where the true secrets can be communicated by mouth, instead of read from paper. The way I see it, and I always have, when you pick up a copy of these manuals, the only way you should know what organization that it belongs to is if you are a MEMBER of that organization. Sorry to get off on a tangent there but I just wanted to point that out.

KABillyMac · #28 01-16-2002, 06:55 PM

So what did you gain by coming on and splattering the link to the sale all over gc for us to see? Whats your point? You dont think that the greek system is already facing enough adversity? What did you want us all to jump up and down and pee all over ourselves cause someone is out there selling our rituals. I wouldnt read your book, wouldnt even pick it up. Thats out of respect for the men or women that spent countless hours writing it. Your right, curiousity killed the cat, but if a man cant learn to subdue his temptations then he is not a man at all.

ZZ-kai- · #29 01-16-2002, 06:58 PM

The reason why I posted the link, is because that is what this discussion thread is about, right? And that is what Greek Chat is for, right? To discuss issues, notify others of things...etc. Right? Alright then.

KSigkid · #30 01-16-2002, 09:54 PM

I think the main point here is that there's a simple respect involved...

I agree with Billy 100% - if I came onto the site and saw that a link selling my ritual book was posted, I would be heated. Think about it. It's not just Greeks who come and look at this board. It may be mostly Greeks who post, but there are others who have in direct opposition of the Greek system. As an example, think of all the random posts that have come up of people wanting to bash fraternities, sororities, and those who join. Isn't it just a dream for these people to come on and find a direct link of where to find a ritual book? Not everyone here is of the mindset that these things are for only certain eyes, and I'm sure someone would love to spend an extra $200 or some large amount to get their hands on a ritual book.

I can't put into words how angry I would be if I saw a link to a Kappa Sig ritual posted on ebay. I feel horrible for those people who now see links whereby non-members can purchase their secrets. This is something I feel strongly about. Yes, this is a forum on which to discuss issues, to "chit chat" so to speak, but there is still a line that has to be drawn. An issue such as this has to be addressed to the national headquarters of the fraternity in question, not on an open forum such as this.

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