Arizona State University - TKE

[ElieM]

Bright side - at least there didn't seem to be any black face going on?

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by ElieM

Bright side - at least there didn't seem to be any black face going on?

A silver lining, indeed.

[IndianaSigKap]

My college best friend lives just miles away from ASU and she and her husband are planning on sending their kids out of state. They cite the careless party culture at ASU as the reason.

[Phigirl04]

It would be one thing if this were an isolated incident but the list of negative fraternity related incidents at ASU in the last year isn't short at all. I've employed members of this and other groups and I know these actions are only a small part of the Greek system but it most be admitted that some type of change needs to happen if fraternity life at ASU is to continue. They have painted a huge bull's eye on themselves and now there are repercussions.

[Kevin]

So having members die from alchol poisoning is a race problem?

Interesting.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So having members die from alcohol poisoning....

Is that what was happening at that racially themed party? Cool.

I wonder why every thread about racially themed parties has not boiled down to a discussion of "Greek Life problems." Interesting.

[AZTheta]

Kevin, if I didn't know better, I would think that you are being deliberately obtuse and provoking (not provocative, I don't know you personally).

There are two things going on here: Racial insensitivity, and a Greek system that is messed up.

I'll find the ABOR letter so you can see the issues with the Greek system.

[Phigirl04]

An interesting look at the Greek organizations in AZ. I know this list isn't all inclusive of all the issues but gives a good overview. Gives an idea of the variety of issues that are the base of this problem.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/projects/fraternities/

[ASTalumna06]

Kevin, I agree.

Is this particular incident about race? Yes. Are the overall problems with Greek life at ASU/in Arizona about race? No.

I believe that's the basic point you were getting at, correct?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Is this particular incident about race? Yes.

Now I know that is what he was attempting to convey. Thanks for interpreting.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

...the overall problems with Greek life at ASU/in Arizona....

(I don't care about Greek Life at ASU/in Arizona and I never said their overall Greek Life problems are about race.)

I thought Kevin was saying that the stupidity of throwing a racially themed party was a result of a larger issue with the culture of Greek Life/problems with Greek Life. I'm still amused that this thread became about ASU problems with Greek Life instead of a discussion of why racially themed parties keep happening. Even the greatest Greek system in the world can have members who think a racially themed party is a good idea.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Kevin, I agree.

Is this particular incident about race? Yes. Are the overall problems with Greek life at ASU/in Arizona about race? No.

I believe that's the basic point you were getting at, correct?

Pretty much.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Pretty much.

Interesting.

If you agree that this particular issue of racially themed parties is about race then, going back to the point of my original posts, what in the shit are you all talking about? LOL. Why are you all pretending as though the larger issue that deserves more discussion is "problems with Greek Life"? That Band-aid is worn and needs to be changed.

[Kevin]

Ok?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Because it's easier to just talk about "problems with Greek Life" than it is to talk about racial campus climate and racial societal climate.

FYP.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

FYP.

Not really. Alcohol and drug abuse, hazing, racial insensitivity, these are all issues--and out of those, only racial insensitivity won't get anyone physically hurt or killed.