Dirty Rushers :(

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by futurerusheee

First of all I realized my username isn't PC, I apologize haha

But so basically this is the situation:

I'll be starting a big, competitive school and rushing this month (scary) and I have a few friends going through recruitment simultaneously. Recently one of them told me that a sorority girl be both know basically promised her a bid, talked about how she'd be her future little, and had her take pictures doing that group's handsign. (She showed me evidence of all of the above ) They weren't friends until the last few weeks and it all feels very icky.

I just don't know what to think of this. Is it unfair to weigh that into my opinion of the chapter? I know to keep an open mind, but who knows how prevalent it is or isn't, and why members would do it...Any thoughts? It's not really my business but then again it seems disrespectful to the org.

I don't see how any of this is your business.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I don't see how any of this is your business.

I hate to say this, but stay in your lane on this one. This stuff is so touchy in sorority recruitment. Would you also say it is none of my business if I were an active member of another chapter on this campus?

[DubaiSis]

Hazarding a guess, if the sorority member is a sophomore and just going through rush from the other side for the first time, she may not be fully aware that she screwed up. We know how tricky the rules are (I (underline, bold) would love for you to be my sister and I could be your big, etc) is not technically an infraction, as I understand it. We (underline bold) want you to be our sister and have already determined who your big would be... BIG ole infraction.

I probably wouldn't make a big deal out of it, but I wouldn't be counting any chickens either. I guess I'd err on the side of young girl makes a stupid mistake instead of vicious girl intentionally commits heinous rush infraction. Now if the member is anything beyond a first year rusher, all of the above is moot.

[ladybug12]

I have to say, as a chapter adviser and area officer who works with many chapters during recruitment...if a PNM has pictures on her facebook account showing her flashing the sign of a certain group or partying with members of another group...this will negatively affect this PNM on many campuses. I hope this PHM in question had the good sense to not post every single moment of her life on facebook.....

[carnation]

Do any NPCs have hand signs?

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by carnation

Do any NPCs have hand signs?

Many collegians have come up with them. The national or international groups I am more familiar with have strongly discouraged their use.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by carnation

Do any NPCs have hand signs?

Short list...

Delta for DDD
KD with adding an extra finger from aformentioned delta
Zeta crown
XO with pointer fingers and thumb
AXO with same and making point of A at top

I'm sure there's more...check the bid day pics thread

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Many collegians have come up with them. The national or international groups I am more familiar with have strongly discouraged their use.

I've heard that too, but nobody's ever explained why...

[shirley1929]

Ok didn't mean to put that frowny face in there and can't get it off. Dang technology...

[carnation]

I have my doubts about the OP's veracity. I've known some really clueless PNMs but nobody who's clueless enough to flash a handsign with a sorority's members. I mean, if she's that dumb, who would want her?

[ladybug12]

Already have a few here locally with the chapter I work with on a daily basis. I don't think these PNMs realize the negative impact this will have on their recruitment...probably are trying to be funny and cool...in their own minds.

[amIblue?]

I think NPC women and hand signs are silly. It just looks like they're trying too hard.

I also could envision a scenario in which a naive PNM might make up a story about how XYZ wants her so bad that they showed her the hand sign. I also can see a sophomore being uneducated enough about recruitment that she would cross the line.

[futurerusheee]

Hey y'all thanks for all the responses and advice. A few things
-Just to clarify this wasn't me, friend didn't really know how strict things around sororities can be so she didn't hesitate.
-Not on Facebook, thankfully. But I've seen them.

I don't think anything official is going to be done because I'm not sure the member was being malicious, just inexperienced. I also thought that the hand thing was like official, so thanks for clearing that up! Personally, I guess this will just be in my mind when visiting them and compare to the vibe

[futurerusheee]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I don't see how any of this is your business.

If you weren't trying to be snarky (benefit of the doubt) I only feel it is in the capacity of making sure my friend knew this didn't guarentee anything and how I should let it affect my view on a possibly dishonest group

[Titchou]

Since you weren't there you don't know exactly what the member's words were. So I wouldn't judge a group by a person who may have been misquoted....or by the actions of one misguided member.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by futurerusheee

If you weren't trying to be snarky (benefit of the doubt) I only feel it is in the capacity of making sure my friend knew this didn't guarentee anything and how I should let it affect my view on a possibly dishonest group

I'm not. I can't imagine any way your intervening in this could possibly end well for you.