NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[Drolefille]

Two thumbs way up.

There's already a mosque closer to Ground Zero, and this building is not just a mosque but a swimming pool, community center, etc.

Muslims died in 9-11 too. Unless these Muslims had something to do with it, people (especially non-NYers) should stop trying to interfere with their freedom of religion and their right to buy and use property how they wish - within all pertinent regulations.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Muslims died in 9-11 too.

How many (not including the one's flying and hijacking the planes)?

Insensitive at best to build this so close to "ground zero" but this is NYC's problem.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

How many (not including the one's flying and hijacking the planes)?

It shouldn't matter if it's 279 or 1.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

It shouldn't matter if it's 279 or 1.

Why not? That is what the mantra is from supporters and that is the justification used.

Would you agree to the building of a memorial to the Axis War dead next to Auschwitz/Buchenwald/Bergen-Belsen?

A monument to Japanese war dead near the Arizona?

A white supremacist headquarters next to a Civil Rights Museum?

This is just too in your face. I would rather see a building open to all and dedicated to all religions (Judaism/Muslim/Christian/Hindu etc) instead.

But this is just my opinion and in the end the people of NYC have to live with these type decisions which are what I consider "in poor taste".

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Why not? That is what the mantra is from supporters and that is the justification used.

Would you agree to the building of a memorial to the Axis War dead next to Auschwitz/Buchenwald/Bergen-Belsen?

A monument to Japanese war dead near the Arizona?

A white supremacist headquarters next to a Civil Rights Museum?

This is just too in your face. I would rather see a building open to all and dedicated to all religions (Judaism/Muslim/Christian/Hindu etc) instead.

But this is just my opinion and in the end the people of NYC have to live with these type decisions which are what I consider "in poor taste".

The "Official" Islamic Religion didn't coordinate the attacks. A group of individuals (who happened to be Muslim) did.

Not the same as your examples.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

How many (not including the one's flying and hijacking the planes)?

Enough, including rescue workers.

Insensitive at best to build this so close to "ground zero" but this is NYC's problem.

How does a Muslim place of worship have anything to do with terrorists?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

How does a Muslim place of worship have anything to do with terrorists?

Yea, I was going to say the same thing.

I doubt we'd hear anything like this if there had been, say, a church/reflection area/etc built near a domestic terrorism site.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

How many (not including the one's flying and hijacking the planes)?

Why would this matter?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

There's already a mosque closer to Ground Zero....

Then why is this a news story?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I agree with Newt Gingrich and Bill O'Reilly that this was a political move to make a point that will be interpreted in different ways. Not wanting a mosque at Ground Zero isn't about stereotyping or hating Muslims. It's a question of why does it have to be THERE? Why there?

I also agree with Gingrich that perhaps an interfaith facility could be built at Ground Zero that contains a mosque, synagogue, and church so that Muslims, Jews, and Christians can show unity in their worship.

The mosque (which is more of a community center) isn't a new project. They've been working on this since before 9/11. They own the property.

Asking them to "have consideration" and to move elsewhere both disregards the fact that their community suffered in 9/11 just like the rest of NYC and the country. And, it comes down to Why NOT build it there? I mean, not only did they not have anything to do with the terrorist attacks, but they're not even the same sect of Islam, they don't have anything like the same beliefs. And all of this insinuates that they do.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then why is this a news story?

Because people are stupid and reactionary. Not to mention that some think that Muslims are "THEY" and not part of the WE THE PEOPLE."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The mosque (which is more of a community center) isn't a new project. They've been working on this since before 9/11. They own the property.

Did I miss this in one of the articles?

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Because people are stupid and reactionary. Not to mention that some think that Muslims are "THEY" and not part of the WE THE PEOPLE."

Muslim citizens are "we the people" as far as I'm concerned but news agencies from various sources have been very selective in the details for this story.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Did I miss this in one of the articles?

I don't know about the ones posted here, but it's been all over CNN.
Referenced here
http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/

As for it's specific location being closer, I don't know the city well.

However it's also relevant that the building that they'll be tearing down, though once a store, is currently... a mosque.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/ny...sque.html?_r=1

They just want to build a community center out of it while retaining the prayer space. They describe it like a YMCA and with a pool among other facilities i can't think they're that wrong.

Muslim citizens are "we the people" as far as I'm concerned but news agencies from various sources have been very selective in the details for this story.

I've caught some CNN during the day and they've been decent, but this is why I prefer the internet for sources.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...ro-mosque.html
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/...ro-mosque.html

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then why is this a news story?

You know the answer to that. There's so much misunderstanding surrounding this whole topic. The proposed building will house a fitness center, swimming pool, meeting rooms, cultural center, culinary school, library, etc. all of which are open to the entire community.

It's going to be a modern thirteen-story center. The "mosque" is only a part of it. Also, it's not AT ground zero. It's blocks away. There's currently a Christian church closer to ground zero than this building will be.

The mosque that is AT ground zero has been there for 30 years and is not affiliated with the Islamic center we're discussing.

ETA: If you haven't seen this article, I recommend giving it a look: http://www.forward.com/articles/128347/

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

The proposed building will house a fitness center, swimming pool, meeting rooms, cultural center, culinary school, library, etc. all of which are open to the entire community.

What the building consists of is extremely unimportant to me. Jewish centers in many areas hold the same things and most of them are open to the community (some with a minimal fee for some of the faciliites), but that doesn't minimize the fact that it's a Jewish center. I also never forget that the YMCA and YWCA are Christian-based. That's very apparent regardless of whether the entire community can use the facilities. It's also no surprise when the entire community, in some religiously and racially/ethnicity heterogenous areas, does NOT use the facilities.

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

There's currently a Christian church closer to ground zero than this building will be.

So? LOL. Christianity remains the dominant religion in America.

Anyway, I've gone back to not giving a shit about this topic since there's a mosque at ground zero that has been there for 30 years.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So? LOL. Christianity remains the dominant religion in America.

But it cannot legally be privileged under the law. Not even if it makes some people feel uncomfortable.