Plegdes wearing letters???

[IliveinaTOOLbox]

Spinelli I think they were referring to your title. The whole liddlmissgreek. Fix it if you can. Also I'll pm you with the rest of what you need to know. See you on wednesday =)

[When Doves Cry]

ugh. i hate when people type like that, alternating between capital and lowercase. It's so junior high. It reminds me of 6th grade girls.

[MissBoggzz]

Hey spinelz wut's up =) still down for today? And dun let them bi***** tell you how to or how not to type LOL. I still heart you.

[LiDdLMiSsGrEeK]

hahah lol you're too much you really are. I'll keep that in mind if I ever want drama. Yes we NEED to get together today for sum sisterhoodly bonding lol. =)

[LiDdLMiSsGrEeK]

oh and u totally jocked my smileys HAH lol you always do =] wut got you doing =)??

[MissBoggzz]

AHAHA jerk I was inspired. LMAO luff you idiot =]

For some reason these recent posts remind me so much of our friend lovepwrgrl.

[PerfectVerse06]

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by OTW

For some reason these recent posts remind me so much of our friend lovepwrgrl.

LMAO

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

LMAO

I really did! I remember when lovepwrgrl started all those usernames just to leave posts that would back hers up. But when I saw the KFC girls (KFC haha -- unfortunately my PC doesn't show Greek letters) posting within a minute or so of each other, I knew that it just had to be more than one person.

And then I visited their website and got a haha from the Little Mermaid.

[Tom Earp]

I just wonder why people realy care?

[When Doves Cry]

yeah. same colors, id understand. but same font and layout of the whole signature?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by guardedbystars

I think it's more meaningful because after you (general you) initiated, you know everything about the traditions, secrets, rituals, etc etc. I feel like I wouldn't have loved my letters to the extent that I do now, knowing what they mean, if I got to wear them on Bid Day.

Are the red roses just a local tradition (i.e. do you know any other chapters that do it) or is it like the crest where you can't wear it until after initiation (where it's a national thing)? I don't think I have anything with the crest on it.

There are no restrictions against new members wearing any item of AOII including letters or roses. Our ban on roses for new members was completely intra-chapter...basically since we didn't have a crest that new members couldn't wear we acted like the rose was our crest. Also...I understand where you are coming from about letters, but knowing the meaning is important in and of itself that getting to wear the letters for the first time shouldn't over shadow it in my opinion!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Glad this was bumped, so i could add my $19.13 worth. One of the reasons my org (can't speak for the rest of the NPHC) does not allow our Intake group to wear our letters is that completion of the process is not guaranteed. Look at some of the other threads in this forum about folx de-pledging.

Plus they have their own symbols (including a pin) to be worn until they are duly initiated as a member.

Also, it is not a matter of keeping the group secret so much as it is forbidding the walking in line, dressing identically, giving greetings, etc. in public as we did pre-1988. (Delta adopted a new process before the NPHC as a whole did in response to the growing number of hazing violations.) That process served as a model for the other NPHC groups to develop their own.

Why were the above seemingly innocent activities considered hazing? Because of the 20/80 rule. There were those who took them to the extreme causing financial hardship and public embarrassment. So because of the 20 percent we had to throw the baby out with the bath water.

As we've always said, NPC and NPHC are very very different. I don't think I'd want new members wearing letters either if initiation wasn't a sure thing. NPC has an extremely high initiation rate for women who pledge. NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups. Also, the process is certainly not advertised or discussed as much as in NPC, so who knows what the percentage is! If I thought that a significant number would drop or be dropped prior to becoming full members, I wouldn't want them to represent AOII. Since the vast majority of our new members do initiate, I have no problem with them wearing our letters.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups.

what do you mean?