Plegdes wearing letters???

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Glad this was bumped, so i could add my $19.13 worth. One of the reasons my org (can't speak for the rest of the NPHC) does not allow our Intake group to wear our letters is that completion of the process is not guaranteed. Look at some of the other threads in this forum about folx de-pledging.

Plus they have their own symbols (including a pin) to be worn until they are duly initiated as a member.

Also, it is not a matter of keeping the group secret so much as it is forbidding the walking in line, dressing identically, giving greetings, etc. in public as we did pre-1988. (Delta adopted a new process before the NPHC as a whole did in response to the growing number of hazing violations.) That process served as a model for the other NPHC groups to develop their own.

Why were the above seemingly innocent activities considered hazing? Because of the 20/80 rule. There were those who took them to the extreme causing financial hardship and public embarrassment. So because of the 20 percent we had to throw the baby out with the bath water.

As we've always said, NPC and NPHC are very very different. I don't think I'd want new members wearing letters either if initiation wasn't a sure thing. NPC has an extremely high initiation rate for women who pledge. NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups. Also, the process is certainly not advertised or discussed as much as in NPC, so who knows what the percentage is! If I thought that a significant number would drop or be dropped prior to becoming full members, I wouldn't want them to represent AOII. Since the vast majority of our new members do initiate, I have no problem with them wearing our letters.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

NPHC likely is not nearly as high, but the process is also not as regimented and universal across different groups.

what do you mean?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by CULater

what do you mean?

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public

Depends on the campus.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

guess i misheard you. i'm pretty sure every org in NPHC, have set regimented and universal (albeit private) guidelines for new member intake from the moment of expressing interest to the moment you become a member, whether or not a NM completes the process is a whole 'nother ballgame.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by CULater

guess i misheard you. i'm pretty sure every org in NPHC, have set regimented and universal (albeit private) guidelines for new member intake from the moment of expressing interest to the moment you become a member, whether or not a NM completes the process is a whole 'nother ballgame.

I think you are confused by tht post as I am.

We do not have new members that are not initiated.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

So..what exactly ARE you allowed to wear? I'm pretty sure almost all colors are GLO colors.

Go naked? Oh wait..that's in the buff...

Originally Posted by OWTLAW63

If your interested in joining my org, and you show up to the interest meeting in the same colors as our ORG, it is not looked as as flatering, it is usually perceived as a bit bold..
So do your research learn the history and the colors and wear something nuetral to that specific org your seeking membership into.

Then again Maybe it is just a HBGLO thing.

i'll give an example. let's say an orgs colors are.....(btw, i'm not targeting any org, if these are your colors, they are purely coincidential):

pink and silver.

if an interest comes PURPOSELY wearing those colors, or any other symbols of the org (say pearls or diamonds), that signals to the members that this interest is taking a rather presumptive attitude. You have not earned the ability to wear those colors or symbols. I'm not saying if you show up in say jeans and a white shirt w/pink and silver on it, but if you are wearing a pink shirt with silver pants with silver shoes, pink and silver bracelet, and (if one of the org's symbol is pearls), wear pearls around your neck, you 1. obviously need to take more time to learn about the greek culture, and 2. again being rather rude and presumptive.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

What I mean is that NPHC does not necessarily initiate all of it's pledges/new members, but they don't have a formal pan-NPHC recruitment that is widely advertised with a "guaranteed" pledge class of women they've never met before. NPC uses a formal recruitment process that is followed by all NPC groups on a campus. We are basically set up to very publicly take in new members and are expected to keep said new members. NPHC is a lot more circumspect in their intake practices...ie. they don't talk about it, so how do I really know that they take 20 and only initiate 2? I have to take their word for it because their system is set up to be secretive not public...and that's the way they want it! Trust me, there were no thinly veiled insults in my original post!

I don't quite understand your post. Especially when youa re talking about pledges/new members. We (NPHC) have new members in the sense they just were initiated versus someone else in the chapter who has been in for a year or more.

Are you possicbly referring to the 20 mentioned above as the amount that would show up to a rush and the 2 as ones who actually make it?

[CULater]

Originally Posted by 1908Revelations

I don't quite understand your post. Especially when youa re talking about pledges/new members. We (NPHC) have new members in the sense they just were initiated versus someone else in the chapter who has been in for a year or more.

Are you possicbly referring to the 20 mentioned above as the amount that would show up to a rush and the 2 as ones who actually make it?

i agree, it could just be differences in what we mean by new member. for most non-NPC/IFC, a new member is one that has completed all membership intake process and has been initiated into the organization (you can refer to them as soror, sister, etc.). We generally refer to new members as neophytes or neos. (older members can be referred to as prophytes)