kappa sigma at fgcu? - Page 18

Rambler1869 · #**256** 04-12-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

KSigAdvisor is in this picture. He really is. Look hard.

Despite who or when a comment was made...(I think virtually everyone has been guilty of this at some point). Can I ask at this point we all get away from the bashing, and talk about the actual issue?

DrPhil · #**257** 04-12-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

KSigAdvisor is in this picture. He really is. Look hard.

DrPhil · #**258** 04-12-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Can I ask at this point we all get away from the bashing, and talk about the actual issue?

No. What more is there to say about the "actual issue?"

33girl · #**259** 04-12-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well since they're being so "discriminated" against, I thought I would add a pic of their compadres at the Birmingham riots.

DrPhil · #**260** 04-12-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Well since they're being so "discriminated" against, I thought I would add a pic of their compadres at the Birmingham riots.

FAIL.

MysticCat · #**261** 04-12-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Still curious as to why you would support universities being able to deny meeting rooms on campus? In essence, you support fraternities being kicked to the curb all over the U.S. With no recourse. And by "curb" I mean all a fraternity could do is meet outside on the patio, but could still "assemble" there.

And I'm curious why you think that just because I find your legal arguments unpersuasive, I support fraternities being kicked to the curb with no recourse. One position does not equal the other. And just because a policy is bad or stupid doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

I'm also curious why you studiously avoid answering simple questions put to you over and over again.

33girl · #**262** 04-12-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

FAIL.

Sorry

2nd try

DrPhil · #**263** 04-12-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Sorry

2nd try

LOL. Yikes.

I got what you were saying with the first one. You just have to be careful not to appear like you think there's anything laughable about the Birmingham riots.

33girl · #**264** 04-12-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. Yikes.

I got what you were saying with the first one. You just have to be careful not to appear like you think there's anything laughable about the Birmingham riots.

Oh, I definitely don't. I think there's something laughable about a student who can't get a meeting room on campus comparing himself to people who weren't allowed to be admitted into most colleges.

SWTXBelle · #**265** 04-12-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

And I'm curious why you think that just because I find your legal arguments unpersuasive, I support fraternities being kicked to the curb with no recourse. One position does not equal the other. And just because a policy is bad or stupid doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

I'm also curious why you studiously avoid answering simple questions put to you over and over again.

Oh, MysticCat - pick your favorite fallacy!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Rambler1869 · #**266** 04-12-2010, 07:35 PM

MysticCat - did you see this part?

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Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Put aside where they can or cannot be for meetings... what are your thoughts on equal access to even attempt to apply for any recognition (either by school or IFC)

I am curious your thoughts on this part

33girl · #**267** 04-12-2010, 07:53 PM

If I got it right, you did apply for recognition by the IFC and were denied, right? Since you all keep talking about a vote in which (allegedly) the chapter reps did not vote how they were told to by their national HQs, I'm guessing yes. So I don't understand where "equal access to even attempt to apply for recognition" is coming from. You already had that.

Rambler1869 · #**268** 04-12-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

If I got it right, you did apply for recognition by the IFC and were denied, right? Since you all keep talking about a vote in which (allegedly) the chapter reps did not vote how they were told to by their national HQs, I'm guessing yes. So I don't understand where "equal access to even attempt to apply for recognition" is coming from. You already had that.

Not exactly. The school claims that Kappa Sigma has not applied; which is why they are not being allowed to use school facilities. However, the truth of the matter is; until the news story aired, the school refused to provide the necessary form to even become an RSO.

Being a student organization, and being a part of IFC (another student organization) are seperate issues.

In fact, no application has been accepted from either the school or the IFC. The vote discussed, was a vote called by the members of Kappa Sigma during the IFC meeting. No actual written application has been granted (prior to the news story).

Post news story, there is a current debate regarding whether or not a fraternity can keep its single gender status. On the RSO form, there is a check box on the form for fraternities/sororities (with no further explaination about gender status - except an email from the Greek Life Coordinator stating they would have to surrender single-sex status). We believe being denied that status, is a violation of Title 9 protetction.

knight_shadow · #**269** 04-12-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Simply put; because Kappa Sigma was supporting the interest of the students who wanted to form as Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Kappa Sigma didnt look at FGCU and wonder why there wasnt a chapter there; the students unhappy with the choices at FGCU contacted Kappa Sigma.

I dont think its an understatement to say that since college students are only students for a certain number of years; for Kappa Sigma to truly support these men, waiting an unknown amount of time was not the option they felt (and still feel) was best.

I would hope that Kappa Sigma's expansion chair/committee looked at more than "OMG, this group of students that we don't know won't get the chance to be Greek!" when making the decision to expand to FGCU.

MysticCat · #**270** 04-12-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Oh, MysticCat - pick your favorite fallacy!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I'll take inductive fallacies for $500, Alex.

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Originally Posted by Rambler1869

MysticCat - did you see this part?

I am curious your thoughts on this part

My thoughts are that I'm not sure how it matches up with the story as it's been told in this thread. And given what we've seen in this thread, I'd be curious to hear the school's version.

Beyond that, like I said, you can have your own lawyers (or law students maybe?) do research for you. I'm done.