Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

(all over the country, mind you)

yeah...

[cuteASAbug]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Like alphagamuga, I'd like to know the names of the NPC groups who don't care about attaining quota and total.

Based on what I've read here, I can only think of one. SDT at Bama.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Thank you.

If a chapter doesn't pledge quota it means they've gone to the bottom of their bid list, which usually doesn't include all "quality" women.

Or they cut all the non-quality women before they made their bid list. I know chapters that, under the new release figures, were supposed to cut no one for the first few rounds. Did they cut? Yes. Was it just grade risks? No. Did they necessarily make quota, no but COB/CR wasn't a big deal to them.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Or they cut all the non-quality women before they made their bid list. I know chapters that, under the new release figures, were supposed to cut no one for the first few rounds. Did they cut? Yes. Was it just grade risks? No. Did they necessarily make quota, no but COB/CR wasn't a big deal to them.

Yep, I do think this happens, and I think opinions can legitimately vary about whether this is a good thing, especially if you might not make quota without the cuts.

BUT the harsh reality is that if the chapter's return rates were different, they could make the cuts and still make quota unless something is weirdly wrong in terms of NPC policies at that school.

I think that NPC recruitment almost guarantees that it be a superficial process because of how contact during the decision making process is supposed to be limited to the parties. It has nothing to do with how friendships are formed in the real world. COB/COR is probably a more sincere form of recruitment if it's something more than just offering bids to girls who dropped out of formal.

Certain parts of the country have turned NPC recruitment in to a "who were you in your hometown" process, and in some ways that might be better in terms of being a little deeper level of knowledge, but it excludes anyone who doesn't have connections from some groups.

KathyKD, NPC and NPHC recruitments and attitudes to numbers are just very different. And compared to what's involved in joining an NPHC, I think you're going to have a really hard time finding even 10 NPC chapters that could compare. That doesn't mean that I think every NPC hides members during recruitment or anything horrible like that, but if you look into it, I think you'll see what I mean.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Or it means that the pool of girls going through rush just...sucked. I know this isn't usually the case in the SEC, but it can definitely happen at small schools. Not that there aren't great girls at those schools that would join a sorority, they just don't care for the phoniness of formal rush or know they're only interested in one group and would prefer to join through COB. But seriously, if you only have like 50 girls show up for rush, it's entirely possible that you would rather not pledge quota than take some of the girls who are rushing.

Omigosh - I know of one poor woman who went through SIX recruitments, never got a bid, but then became President of a colony when she was a senior. We saw her standing outside of a house after Pref one time, and were happy to see that she was going to get a bid, but I guess they opted not to do so, as they were still under quota (holy run-on sentence, Batman!).

ETA: She wasn't the least bit overweight, either!

[kathykd2005]

To say that ALL of the NPC groups are only concerned with Recruitment is a gross generalization that is not necessarily true. That is all that I am saying. I sincerely doubt that all of the national executive councils are foaming at the mouth for more members. I doubt very much that anyone on here knows every one of the NPC's members, and if you do, then more power to you. Again, it's statements like these that make our organizations look so superficial to outsiders.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

To say that ALL of the NPC groups are only concerned with Recruitment is a gross generalization that is not necessarily true. That is all that I am saying. I sincerely doubt that all of the national executive councils are foaming at the mouth for more members. I doubt very much that anyone on here knows every one of the NPC's members, and if you do, then more power to you. Again, it's statements like these that make our organizations look so superficial to outsiders.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Have some of the groups proposed getting rid of the quota/total system?

I agree that there are some NPC MEMBERS who could care less about numbers being huge - after all, everyone in an NPC sorority is an NPC member.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Have some of the groups proposed getting rid of the quota/total system?

I agree that there are some NPC MEMBERS who could care less about numbers being huge - after all, everyone in an NPC sorority is an NPC member.

Did I say getting rid of quota and total? No. I just said that like NPHC groups, who care more about their sisterhood than about numbers, so, too, do many NPC organizations. No, I did not say they view recruitment in the exact same way. What I'm saying is that recruitment for all NPC groups is not necessarily just superficial. I hope that clarifies a bit more.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Amen.

ETA: I'll qualify that by agreeing that I agree with the statement in reference to large schools.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Definitely signature-worthy.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Did I say getting rid of quota and total? No. I just said that like NPHC groups, who care more about their sisterhood than about numbers, so, too, do many NPC organizations. No, I did not say they view recruitment in the exact same way. What I'm saying is that recruitment for all NPC groups is not necessarily just superficial. I hope that clarifies a bit more.

I don't think it's a question of "caring more." I think that when you bring in a large amount of women at the postgraduate level, as NPHC does, you don't have to be quite as concerned if the numbers of your collegiate chapters are smaller. If AI for NPC groups ever got as popular as NPHC graduate membership is, I'm betting the pressure on collegiate chapters to fulfill total and quota would lessen considerably, if not disappear altogether.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't think it's a question of "caring more." I think that when you bring in a large amount of women at the postgraduate level, as NPHC does, you don't have to be quite as concerned if the numbers of your collegiate chapters are smaller. If AI for NPC groups ever got as popular as NPHC graduate membership is, I'm betting the pressure on collegiate chapters to fulfill total and quota would lessen considerably, if not disappear altogether.

Agreed.

[banditone]

Perhaps their nationals should put forth a "rush weight limit" for members to adher to.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by banditone

Perhaps their nationals should put forth a "rush weight limit" for members to adher to.

LOL!

[cuteASAbug]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Omigosh - I know of one poor woman who went through SIX recruitments, never got a bid, but then became President of a colony when she was a senior. We saw her standing outside of a house after Pref one time, and were happy to see that she was going to get a bid, but I guess they opted not to do so, as they were still under quota (holy run-on sentence, Batman!).

ETA: She wasn't the least bit overweight, either!

You'd think that after several unsuccesful recruitments you'd get the hint and stop trying.