Can you be Christian and Greek?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

To see how what changes? Do you agree with Kevin's claims? A common misconception that Kevin apparently shares is that racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious minority groups either spend 100% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all or they spend 0% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all. There is a middle ground.

I never said that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Speaking for myself, please don't confuse my thinking that your responses show a great deal of presumption and ignorance with agreeing with every single thing Andre Turner has said.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Kevin

So specifically, what do you disagree with?

Do you need a breakdown of what MysticCat agrees and disagrees with? Perhaps you should concern yourself with your presumptuous and ignorant posts.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I never said that.

You did not have to.

Anyone who says "...and for the most part, the Jewish folks have moved on. Do they remember? Yes. Is it an outrage? Sure. Do they kvetch about the chains and gas chambers holding them back today? Not so much" needs some lessons on life.

[Andre Turner]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I have a question for Andre Turner.

I read some of your comments, and I don't disagree with you -I mean, with what African Americans have been through and still continue to go through not only in this country, but other parts of the world. However, based on what I read, I just think our spiritual views are different. I'm not saying that yours are wrong, they just seem different. It's just that I believe that God is spirit which encompasses all genders and races. In Him, there is no woman or man, slave or free, Greek or Jew. I just believe He is the Giver, Sustainer, and empowering Force of life. I just don't believe it to be possible to construct and maintain a life of any great quality without Him as the foundation.

I mean, no one is an island. God created us to connect with others, and I just don't believe the race of those people we choose to connect with matters, but the upbringing and character does. I guess I'm just one of those who believes that only in having a relationship with God can we have great relationships with ourselves and others. It's just that your life will work only as well as the lives you surround yourself with, regardless of race or gender. I don't disagree with you, but do you believe in the vision that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had and shared about his vision of what this country should be like when it comes to race? You don't think we're there, or making progress to some degree? I'm not arguing your points because they are valid, and I agree with most of them, I just asked that question because I'm curious to know. That's all.

I don't expect you to agree with everything I've said, even though I believe all of it to be true facts. I do agree with a lot of what you've said here. I know what you meant, but it is black people experiencing racial problems "not only in this country but other parts of the world". Black people come from all parts of the world not just Africa, and some "African Americans" have not been outside of this country to experience the racial problems black people have had and still continue to have "in other parts of the world". With the other part of your post, I am not going to get into a discussion about spiritual and religious practices.

No, I do not think we have made any progress. You believe we have made progress because you and your people are not the oppressed. Dr. King was a very sincere and determined leader who made great accomplishments toward the liberation of my people, but there was a problem. There was indeed a problem. The problem was that Dr. King was "dreaming" during a time of blatant "reality". Dr. King's dream was to obtain the "American Dream" for black people, but he didn't realize that we obviously already had the "American Dream". All that black people had was the "American Dream". We (as black people) are asleep having the "American Dream", while white folks are wide awake having the "American Reality".

We are sleepwalking black zombies walking around in a daze, within an "American Dream". We are mentally, spiritually, economically, productively, socially, biologically, and absolutely dead asleep. The "American Dream" is our sleeping pill, and our oppressors have tried to tuck us in permanently by telling us constant bed-time lies.

Dr. King's methodology can no longer be used in our struggle towards liberation. Your people would love us to hold on to Dr. King's philosophy, so that they can keep us in bondage. Why do you think that white society tries to constantly shove Dr. King down our throats, like you have just tried to do here? Your people honor and celebrate Dr. King because they want us to be "non-violent dreamers", when they themselves have done nothing but practice thousands of years of violence towards non-whites. We (as black people) have got to look at this situation for what it is and nothing else. I love Dr. King and all of his great accomplishments, but now, well over 40 years later, we (as black people) can no longer uphold his early philosophies and methodology.

We cannot continue to uphold his philosophies any longer, because these are totally different times that call for totally different philosophies. This is not the "I have a dream" generation. This generation is not really having the "American Dream", we (as black people) are having the "Amerikkkan Nightmare".

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Andre Turner

"Amerikkkan...".

Flashback to years ago when MysticCat hated that I always typed "AmeriKKKa" instead of "America."

[agzg]

For the record, Andre Turner is not shrill with an established track record of vitriol.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

No one is holding you back but yourself.

I LOL'd at this.

/nothing else to contribute
/goes back to reading

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Flashback to years ago when MysticCat hated that I always typed "AmeriKKKa" instead of "America."

LOL. How long ago was that ('cause it's long enought that I don't remember it)?

Originally Posted by Kevin

So specifically, what do you disagree with?

I think Andre Turner is raising valid points and concerns that are perhaps wrapped in hyperbolic and provocative packaging.

I think your responses have countered with ignorance wrapped in condescending and presumptuous packaging.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Do you need a breakdown of what MysticCat agrees and disagrees with? Perhaps you should concern yourself with your presumptuous and ignorant posts.

. . . Anyone who says "...and for the most part, the Jewish folks have moved on. Do they remember? Yes. Is it an outrage? Sure. Do they kvetch about the chains and gas chambers holding them back today? Not so much" needs some lessons on life.

Pretty much sums it up.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think Andre Turner is raising valid points and concerns that are perhaps wrapped in hyperbolic and provocative packaging.

I think your responses have countered with ignorance wrapped in condescending and presumptuous packaging.

Pretty much sums it up.

I agree.

[Fratipotomus]

Turner you a seriously ignorant to facts if this is what you believe. The bible isn't a tool used by white slave owners to control their slaves nor does it hide God's true teachings. It is literally the word of God, and the English translations we have at our diposal are the closest renditions possible to the original language. Second of all the people of the bible were not black, they were more olive tone, think greek or middle eastern. If you are going to make wild claims about Christianity please actually have the knowledge to back it up. And the key part of Christianity is Christ. It's what differentiates us from Muslims and Jews. We believe that Jesus died for our sins and we are forgiven for them for eternity. And the large majority of our country isn't "holding black people down". Get over yourself for the most part this is a self inflicted view. You just tie all misfortunes and set backs to some notion that it's a white persons fault. From a minority standpoint I can't believe some of the words coming out of your mouth. And no one's using Dr. King to hold you back either! It's his exact philosophies that you've lost track of. If you want to be equal you have to view yourself as equal. You have to drop this rediculous gruge and false idealogy and find what you love to do and excell at it. It's the people like you,who constantly remind the world that we're all different colors and this color should get more attention or this race is holding everyone down, that make the rifts in our society. My guess is your incompetent and can't succeed at anything so you find the first scapegoat and attack. Get a wiorthwhile degree start a company make some money and quit bitching.

[knight_shadow]

Here we go.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Fratipotomus

My guess is your incompetent and can't succeed at anything so you find the first scapegoat and attack. Get a wiorthwhile degree start a company make some money and quit bitching.

Is this ironic in the true sense, or in the Alanis Morrisette sense?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by agzg

Is this ironic in the true sense, or in the Alanis Morrisette sense?

The statement is true irony, the username is 10,000 spoons.

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by Fratipotomus

Get a wiorthwhile degree start a company make some money and quit bitching.

You know dude? He didn't post what he does for a living and you don't know what he's had success at. Until you find that out, how about you stop bitching, sit down, and shut the fuck up. There hasn't been shit that dude said that wasn't truth.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Iota Man

You know dude? He didn't post what he does for a living. Until you find that out, how about you stop bitching, sit down, and shut the fuck up.

Truth!

A common practice is to try to downtalk the speaker and to assume the speaker is an uneducated angry Black person whose life sucks and who hates white people for life sucking. What Fratipotimus did is a racialized attempt at repositioning to ensure the power structure is maintained--which is what Andre Turner is talking about. It is also interesting that Fratipotimus contends that religious documents are the unabridged, unedited, and untainted Word of God as though humans could not possibly have jacked it up and misapplied it.

Originally Posted by Iota Man

There hasn't been shit that dude said that wasn't truth.

I agree with almost 99% and would word some of it differently. For the most part, Andre Turner seems quite informed, educated, and passionate about the topics. I will be mad if he is Dionysus or some other GCer. LOL. Better not be! Better not be!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

The statement is true irony, the username is 10,000 spoons.

Don't get me singing.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Andre Turner seems quite informed, educated, and passionate about the topics. I will be mad if he is Dionysus or some other GCer. LOL. Better not be! Better not be!

I agree, and I would be, too.