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07-25-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by naraht
It will be interesting to see how this changes in the next 20 years or so....
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To see how what changes? Do you agree with Kevin's claims?
If Kevin has not already done so, I urge Kevin to read Ricky Sherover-Marcuse's works including the "A Working Perspective on Jewish Liberation." Jews are not monolithic. There are Jews who share Sherover-Marcuse's sentiment in 2012. There are Jews who talk about the present day impact of past events and current events that impact Jewish communities around the world. There are Jews who belong to organizations so that none of this will ever be forgotten. There are Jews who are angry as hell. There are Jews who make it clear that although some Jews identify as being of the white diaspora and benefitting from white privilege in certain contexts, there are still forms of Jewish oppression around the world. There are Holocaust museums that receive a lot of guests whereas I have had people tell me that museums dedicated to the TransAtlantic Slave Trade, Jim Crow, and the 1960s Civil Rights Movement(s) are no longer necessary. People (especially outsiders) cannot pick and choose which of these struggles have present day significance and who needs to get over the past, remnants of the past, and the present.
A common misconception that Kevin apparently shares is that racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious minority groups either spend 100% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all or they spend 0% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all. There is a middle ground. Most members of minority groups do not feel oppressed 100% of the time. Most members of minority groups do not believe that everything that happens is a result of oppression. Andre Turner has said nothing that would lead me to believe that he thinks people of the African Diaspora have absolutely no free will and 100% of their lives are a result of past and present inequalities. Andre Turner's colorful and sometimes exaggerated wording is not to be confused with a weakness in the larger point that he and other people are making.
Last edited by DrPhil; 07-25-2012 at 07:20 AM.
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07-25-2012, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
To see how what changes? Do you agree with Kevin's claims? A common misconception that Kevin apparently shares is that racial, ethnic, cultural, or religious minority groups either spend 100% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all or they spend 0% of their time thinking about, talking about, and being angry over it all. There is a middle ground.
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I never said that.
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07-25-2012, 09:12 AM
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Speaking for myself, please don't confuse my thinking that your responses show a great deal of presumption and ignorance with agreeing with every single thing Andre Turner has said.
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Exactly.
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So specifically, what do you disagree with?
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Do you need a breakdown of what MysticCat agrees and disagrees with? Perhaps you should concern yourself with your presumptuous and ignorant posts.
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Originally Posted by Kevin
I never said that.
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You did not have to.
Anyone who says "...and for the most part, the Jewish folks have moved on. Do they remember? Yes. Is it an outrage? Sure. Do they kvetch about the chains and gas chambers holding them back today? Not so much" needs some lessons on life.
Last edited by DrPhil; 07-25-2012 at 09:23 AM.
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