kappa sigma at fgcu?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It's kind of giving me a lady boner.

[agzg]

i<3youguyz.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

BTW-Does Kappa Sigma allow anyone to join a chapter? No? Your members within the chapters vote who to allow and who not to allow? Why, that's discrimination! You shouldn't keep out people who want to join your chapters. That's infringing on their Constitutional right of these non-members to have the freedom to associate with your members, whether your members want them to or not. You have to allow them to join. It's their right.

FTW

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

No they can't, because those groups aren't GLOs. However, I'm sure they have to be recognized by the student government before the school would give support to them. The school has very limited resources. As such, they will not use those resources unless they know that the students support said group.

This is wicked true about the limited resources. However, SG doens't recognize the groups at FGCU, OSI does. Just an FYI

[CougarGrad]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Vote us down?? What world did you wake up in this morning??! Students get to decide what other students can and can't do???! Other groups can "vote us down" because they don't want us on campus?

I'm confused. If you're an advisor- which I'm not doubting that you are- how can you not know how the Greek expansion process works?

I can show up at TCU and recruit all kinds of young ladies to join the new "chapter" of Alpha Phi. We can have "recruitment," and events, and mixers, and initiations, and everything.

...and if we're not recognized as a chapter by the Panhellenic council, OR the university, we won't be recognized by our Executive Office, either.

If this chapter of Kappa Sigma isn't officially recognized at FGCU, can it be officially recognized by your HQ?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by jennyj87

This is wicked true about the limited resources. However, SG doens't recognize the groups at FGCU, OSI does. Just an FYI

Thank you and corrected. The way my school did it, so I ASSumed.

[knight_shadow]

You are doing the absolute most, and sounding more and more like an idiot in the process.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

The point here is that we should all be on the same team, fraternities and sororities alike, in our fight for open expansion. Supporting FGCU's attempts to keep us off campus is supporting another university's attempts to keep your groups off campus elsewhere. And here is my guarantee, if a public university is ever trying to keep your group off campus (for non-disciplinary reasons, of course) if you call up Kappa Sigma (the #1 fraternity in amount of pledges nationally five years running) we will be the first ones to support you. And I promise, regardless of the ad hominem attacks by 33Girl and by myself and others, you will be treated with complete respect.

A lot of us do support open expansion. We're called the member fraternities of NIC.

And also -- why the hell would my organization (or any other GLO) need Kappa Sigma's blessing in order to expand? Really? What could KS do?

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

my unprofessional name calling and shot taking isn't helping much either. True - so why do you keep doing it?

The point here is that we should all be on the same team, fraternities and sororities alike, in our fight for open expansion. Really? Do you think with comments like this:
Lastly, before I forget, I don't expect any of the sorority members on here to really understand this argument. Your views are skewed by the fact that you have voluntarily created an unnecessary organization that you named Panhellenic, which you give the authority to provide strict oversight of your groups. Believe it or not, you could actually operate without it.

any sorority member is going to be impressed by you? Why can't we understand your argument? Are our little feminine brains too small to handle logic and legalese? Really? Here's an eye-opener for you - we can understand a valid argument! Some of us actually get college educations, and work in academic and professional fields! I teach logic to college students, and we discuss all sorts of things which are outside my/our personal experience.
NPC does an admirable job of handling expansion - it works for us. We like the system - it's not a case of whether or not we could operate without it - it's a case of not feeling the need to fix what isn't broken. Fraternities have a much higher rate of chapters closing and/or not even making it past the colony stage than sororities as a result of their more open-expansion policies.It's a price fraternities seem willing to pay - but that doesn't mean our system is "unnecessary".

Honest to goodness, for the sake of the undoubtedly good guys who are in the colony, please stop being argumentative and combative - you are not helping the cause. If you can't present your argument without being insulting maybe it's time to step away from the keyboard.

eta - IBTL

[33girl]

Dude, just call up Julian Bond, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and they will be so on the side of their poor oppressed brothers. (Everyone stop a minute and think about normally cool and composed JB saying "WHAT is this honky talking about??")

[UofM-TKE]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

eta - IBTL

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Welcome to the discussion Southern Belle. No one said you have to fix something that you don't think is broken, and no one said you have a small brain. Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin...."

I'm so glad you are the representation of the fraternity that wants to come on my campus. This defiantly makes me want to support you. Please, come and help us poor small brained sorority women at this campus. I don't know how any of us have been functioning for the past seven years without you.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

Knight Rider- I said we'd help, not that you "need our blessing." (See why it's hard not to make derogatory comments?) If we have a Chapter at a university, our undergrads are instructed to vote in favor of expansion, always.

And the fact that you actually think that only members of NIC are deserving of equal protection of the laws is sad.

Welcome to the discussion Southern Belle. No one said you have to fix something that you don't think is broken, and no one said you have a small brain. Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin...."

So your undergrads are sheep?

And I think that only NIC members should be able to use NIC policies.

[stufield]

Paste by SWTexBelle:

"Honest to goodness, for the sake of the undoubtedly good guys who are in the colony, please stop being argumentative and combative - you are not helping the cause. If you can't present your argument without being insulting maybe it's time to step away from the keyboard. "

subsequently posted by KSigAdvisor:
"'Calm down... if your small brain will allow.... "I'm just sayin....'"

KSigAdvisor:

I'm a Kappa Sig,and I'm with SWTexBelle all the way. I've read your posts on this thread and for the most part they are embarrassing to the Fraternity and the FGSU colony. If you are the colony's advisor, and your attitude and comments on this thread are reflective of those of the colony members, or, worse yet, are indicative of the attitudinal influence you are having on the colony members as their 'advisor', it is small wonder that the colony is facing so much opposition on campus, and I have no doubt that it will take years for the Rho-Zeta Chapter, as it will soon be, to gain formal recognition. Comments like "if your small brain will allow" to a sorority member, whether stated in earnest or in jest, certainly will not win the colony/chapter any perhaps much-needed and certainly what would be much-appreciated sorority support.

Having said that, I think a couple of other posters on this thread miss one of your points. Kappa Sigma ALWAYS supports open expansion opportunity by fraternities and/or sororities at colleges and universities. Kappa Sigma is not suggesting that other GLOs necessarily need that support or are dependent on it; but other fraternities and sororities have the reassurance that Kappa Sigma (and some other like-minded fraternities) will always provide it.

I believe that Kappa Sigma, and any other fraternity and sorority, should have the right to establish an operative presence ... an interest group, then a colony, and then a chapter, if the group succeeds ... if it wants to do so, at FGCU and at any other public college or university, and that as long as it adheres to that school's polices regarding conduct, pledging, academic standards, and so on, it should be accorded formal/official recognition. I do not believe that any fraternity or sorority should be subject to being told by such a school if and when it can come on campus. Private colleges and universities are, of course, a different matter. However, once a fraternity does establish a presence at a public college or university, it should do everything it can to attract/inculcate/develop support and build a positive reputation on campus. I have been unable to determine from the posts on this thread whether the Kappa Sig colony at FGSU has done that, or whether they have given the school's administration and the other GLOs on campus the proverbial finger and essentially alienated most, if not, all of those whose support it should be seeking. Certainly comments like KSigAdvisor's telling someone, even if it is a poster on this thread who is not actually a FGSU student, to "'Calm down... if [her] small brain will allow..." does not make me feel too optimistic in that regard. I hope that the actual colony members show more respect for others.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

MysticCat, it sounds like maybe slow days are normal for you, cognitively speaking.

Well, yes., you got me on that. It was a Friday afternoon after all, the pollen was heavy and Duke won the NCAA men's finals this week. Who wouldn't be in a downward spiral cognitively?

If you can get over my insults, MysticCat, the ones that I'm entitled to because your groups voted to keep us out of IFC, then please expand upon your following comment:

"The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the school from treating similarly situated entities differently. Since nothing you have said has shown me that the Kappa Sig colony is similarly situated to the IFC chapters that actually followed the procedure for recognition, it still looks like you're overstating things to me."

Again you assume. My fraternity (non-NIC) doesn't have a chapter at FGCU, IFC or otherwise. And don't try to tell me you're helping us out, because my fraternity will not colonize without approval from the school.

I don't know why I bother, but I'll just say that I have seen judges on quite a few occasions basically say "don't waste my time telling me the rule that keeps you out is unconstitutional when you might have been able to comply with the rule to begin with but didn't even try."

You know, I really don't know what's more remarkable: That you're spending this much energy arguing with strangers on the internet or that you think insults, condescension and prickishness are effective means of persuasion.

Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor

I'm embarrassed by the example you set for the undergraduates.

It all evens out then. I'm embarrassed by the example you set for your fraternity brothers.

Originally Posted by jennyj87

I'm so glad you are the representation of the fraternity that wants to come on my campus. This defiantly makes me want to support you. Please, come and help us poor small brained sorority women at this campus. I don't know how any of us have been functioning for the past seven years without you.

Originally Posted by stufield

I'm a Kappa Sig,and I'm with SWTexBelle all the way. I've read your posts on this thread and for the most part they are embarrassing to the Fraternity and the FGSU colony. If you are the colony's advisor, and your attitude and comments on this thread are reflective of those of the colony members, or, worse yet, are indicative of the attitudinal influence you are having on the colony members as their 'advisor', it is small wonder that the colony is facing so much opposition on campus, and I have no doubt that it will take years for the Rho-Zeta Chapter, as it will soon be, to gain formal recognition. Comments like "if your small brain will allow" to a sorority member, whether stated in earnest or in jest, certainly will not win the colony/chapter any perhaps much-needed and certainly what would be much-appreciated sorority support.

I rest my case.