Shocked & Disgusted

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

But we were asked to make sacrifices by President Obama. Yes... Before you jump down my throat the issue I am discussing is for example, I could make sacrifices normally in my life, but I just choose not to do so... However, the repercussion for being resolute in my inability to adjust with a sacrifice, means I get left behind...

IMHO, President Obama will at least attempt to be straightforward on most of the pitfalls. But who knows, he might not be able do so.

The repurcussions will be the same as they have been during every presidency. This time around, people are just more scared than they normally are. As my imaginary-buddy Keith Olberman asked "...is a great deal of this psychological....?" Sure, the economy sucks and now there is a threat to increase unemployment in the public sector but if people didn't get the point Before Barack, let's not fall apart if they don't get the point After Barack.

I was just about to get you on that "Obama asked us..." stuff.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

A schoolmate of mine, someone I've known since before either of us even applied to this school, just put up an American flag with Communist symbols photoshopped onto it on her facebook. I don't think I've ever been so angry at her and she's talked a lot of crap over the last few months. I am EXCITED for our future as a nation. I'm ready for what's in my sig to come true. I don't want to be divided into Obama supporters and McCain supporters anymore, we are one whole country and it's time we acted like it. Saying we're becoming Communists or that we're "damned to hell" or whatever despicable crud she's spouting is a wedge that divides us, NOT a joke, NOT good fun, NOT sarcasm to make a point. Just....DAMN, JUST GET WITH IT.

So I'm assuming you didn't want to be divided into Bush supporters and Bush critics previously, right? You thought everyone should just unite behind Bush, and get with it?

Not picking on you, but as I've mentioned before, not everyone is "excited" for the future with Obama. There are some who will have to be convinced that he was the better choice. Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion - but you can't expect people to jump on the Obama bandwagon a couple of days after the election.

It's much easier to talk about unity when you want everyone to unify behind your candidate of choice...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I heart you. That is exactly what I've been feeling for the past couple of days. Many of the same people who have Bush-bashed for 8 years are now crying foul because others are disappointed with the election results. I myself said that I wasn't going to watch any news for months because I couldn't stand all the Obama ass-kissing. That lasted 24 hours. I got over my pity party and am interested to see what will happen. Not excited - interested. But maybe in a few months I can be excited. I definitely don't want him to fail. And it's actually Pelosi and Reid that I fear more than Obama.

I think you and I are examples of the people who can be supportive of the administration without actually drinking the Kool-Aid. There are a lot of us out there.

So, yes, I am an Independent who voted for Obama, support Obama, have a wave of emotions over his win, and think this country is ready for something better. But I am still annoyed by his speech pattern and am still waiting for him to earn the praise that he is receiving. And if I read or hear one more person type or say "Obama is asking us to...." (you aren't the only one, AKA Monet ), I will...continue to do what I've been doing: HECKLE.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The repurcussions will be the same as they have been during every presidency. This time around, people are just more scared than they normally are. As my imaginary-buddy Keith Olberman asked "...is a great deal of this psychological....?" Sure, the economy sucks and now there is a threat to increase unemployment in the public sector but if people didn't get the point Before Barack, let's not fall apart if they don't get the point After Barack.

I was just about to get you on that "Obama asked us..." stuff.

I wish it was different back then than it is today, because people are seriously considering those "repercussions" JUST BECAUSE President Obama was elected to the POTUS.

And Olbermann is correct in that this lunacy has something to be a great deal of psychological... (He he--what did I say in my previous posts... ).

And I KNOW there will be whiners after the fact--even if you give stupid a chance--whiners will appear outta the woodworks even after deadlines were set.

Bill Maher's Exit Strategy for Republicans--the country they can run to as a result of the election--IRAQ... LOL

[RedefinedDiva]

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

[moe.ron]

Well, it's the internet. You should read what they say about soccer teams, make the reaction to Obama's win look like a love fest.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yikes......

Racism isn't a "sickness" or a "pathology." LOL. That's what people said a decade and more ago when they were still trying to understand racism as "bad people who say and do bad things that frighten and hurt people." That's why fools were focusing on tolerance and sensitivity training to "cure racism." If folks only learned about other people, they'd be nicer and racism would fall apart, right? No, so fools were baffled when people had their tolerance certification and were self-proclaimed "good people who don't hate anyone because we're all God's creatures" but there was STILL racism. How could that be? LOL...that's because racism is a structure that has permeated institutions and is reinforced through individual actions and structural processes.

That's why I don't call PEOPLE racist because a lot of people think that's about a pathology of "bad people." Instead, you can be the most loving person in the world and reinforce the racist structure and you can be the most hateful person in the world and reinforce the racist structure. It's about sense of group threat and racial identity processes. THAT is what American history, including this election and social issues such as welfare and immigration, has taught us. Self-proclaimed "good people" and "Godly people" suddenly turned crazily intolerant to defend what they considered to be their turf and their resources.

Just saw this and am co-signing.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

To be honest, I couldn't care less if the non-Obama supporters get over it. That's their damn business if they don't. They'll just have to learn the hard way. Let them continue to live in the fantasy world that they're in. I don't know where they've been, but where I'm sitting, things have been hard as hell, the economy is in the septic tank, and there wasn't a glimmer of HOPE until Nov. 4th. Now, that there is some semblance of normalcy returning to our lives, the folks that love the status quo are getting all riled up. However, we need to realize that some people just can't be pleased, nor do they WANT to be pleased, moreso because President-elect Obama is Black.

My favorite quote has ALWAYS been "I can show you better than I can tell you" and that will most certainly be effect for the Obama/Biden administration. He'll just have to show the naysayers that he means business. When life improves, there will STILL be people that don't want to admit it. Why? Because President-elect Obama is Black and they would rather saw off their left leg with a rusty butter knife than to admit it. However, everyone can't be pleased. Let them sit their unhappy, uptight, and cranky asses on the sidelines while we move forward to a better future.

Yes, racism is ugly. Yes, racism is alive and well. Yes, it makes us angry, especially in a society where everyone SHOULD be progressive thinkers. However, the only appropriate thing to do is to ATTEMPT to educate. If that doesn't work, tell them to shut the hell up, sit the hell down, and move the hell on. Life is too short to waste on ignorant people that will go to their graves with their ignorant thoughts.

This . . . this just doesn't . . . well, this doesn't really apply to anything, at all.

Don't get me wrong - it's wonderful prose. But who are you talking to? Seriously - who?

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think you need to get over it....

That is not how I think. I don't expect everyone to hug and sing Kumbaya tomorrow. However, implying that our leader is making us into Communists and forcing us to denounce our individual religions (something else she said) does, in fact, aim to incite fear in others so that they will rebel. She honestly wanted others to agree with her that anyone other than hardcore conservative Repubs are to be feared and rebuked because they will ruin the country. She says that the Dems are taking over so bump "unity" it's now the body of Christ out for themselves, because obviously the two can't overlap (I went to her because she is someone I know to usually be reasonable, so we've been talking about this for hours. These are honestly her words and thoughts). As a Dem, that's RIDICULOUS. I stopped her on several points and it turned out she was very uninformed. Some guy told her that Obama never mentioned uniting the nation in his speech and that he just wants the liberals to take over and anyone else will have to change their ideals to his. Since she didn't watch the speech, she just took it all as truth and that's what she based everything on. I can't make her like the man and I don't aim to--but if I just "got over it" then someone I care about would continue living in fear, not just of the unknown, but of a lie.

And for whoever said did I want to unite behind Bush, I'll say what I told her: Yeah, I was pissed when Bush got (re)elected. Quite frankly, I think he was the most hard-headed, bumbling idiot ever to come into office during my awareness of governmental dealings (age 8+). I've made plenty of inappropriate jokes at his expense (some I regret) and can't wait for him to get out. But I still tried to respect the fact that he was my leader and that's that. As far as I can remember, I never attended a protest against him because that sort of division wouldn't help anyone. I never openly bashed him. I constantly prayed that God would bless him with wisdom and guidance and good health. And, no matter what stupid "Canada" jokes I made, I never meant them. America is a wonderful country and that remains true no matter who the leader is. Non-Obama supporters have a right to grieve their loss...but as much as we support our candidate, blatantly tearing down the other candidate and his supporters to this extent wasn't okay before the election and it's not okay now, especially not in the name of being "Christian." That's backward and I told her so. If she was a stranger off the street, I wouldn't waste my breath, but she's not so I spoke my mind and it paid off. The tension is gone and we understand each other a lot better now, which was the point of addressing it in the first place.

[AKA_Monet]

^^^Christiangirl, your post is well written.

How come what this girl says bothers you so much?

[PrettyBoy]

I see jokers are still sweatin' Obama.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I see jokers are still sweatin' President Obama.

Fixed that for you...

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Fixed that for you...

LOL. My bad. What was I thinking about? Thanks AKA_Monet. That word "President" really makes jokers sweat HARD.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

^^^Christiangirl, your post is well written.

How come what this girl says bothers you so much?

Thanks, Monet. At first, I wasn't sure...it was just a gut reaction, you know? But I've thought about it and I guess...well, I've been under attack for supporting Obama, which I expected but it's made me a little touchy nonetheless. Then, having someone I've bonded with say Democrats are evil and ungodly...if it'd been a stranger, I'd have been mad but brushed it off fairly quickly. But hearing someone I know say it made me wonder if that's really what she thinks of me and my family! I know it wasn't personal, but it was such a harsh and unfair judgement. Plus, the fact that she didn't even know what she was talking about...this girl is studying to be a lawyer. If she acts like this based on what some random guy said with no proof, then that makes ME fear for the future!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

LOL. My bad. What was I thinking about? Thanks AKA_Monet. That word "President" really makes jokers sweat HARD.

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