why I'm voting for John Kerry

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by AnchorAlum
I thought about replying to this post, but after reading the first one, I realized it is for the exclusive use of those under 21 and with a limited ability to read, observe, discuss, apply deductive reasoning, and have limited life experiences.

I'm not under 21.

Incorrect generalizations don't help your argument.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by AnchorAlum
This was MY era, and I know what I'm talking about.

It was MY era, too. What country were you living in? What campus were you on? Did you watch any TV?

Sure Kerry came from wealth -- so did Bush. Fact is that The President apparantly used his family's position to procure a hard to get slot in the National Guard. (Nothing against the Guard, it's an honorable organization, but damn few of them went to SE Asia). Kerry at least served in a regular unit in combat.

[Clockwork08]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
[B]just how someone who dodged the draft was president...ah, it all makes sense now..... it doesn't matter to anyone what their military background is......it's all about their political background. so dems, get off your high horse about kerry being so great in military services and bush being crap/awol. your beloved clinton was a draft dodger.

Not saying military record should be the main reason to vote for somebody, but Clinton was busy being a RHODE SCHOLAR, wasn't like he was chillin in Canada

[ajuhdg]

While watching Letterman the other night, I believe Andy Richter said it best: "You're at a bar, it's last call, the lights have come up, and it's time to choose from the last two whores left." (Something to this effect.)

Personally, I think we're screwed either way...not much of a choice...but your arguing is very entertaining.

aj

[pirepresent]

All military records aside, I'm voting for Kerry because in the past 3 years, Bush has truly come to frighten me, much more so than when he ran in 2000.

He is an absolutely horrific manager of social and fiscal policy. His "trusted advisors" are to me, absolutely terrifying. These people have literally taken the country from the best it's ever been to the absolute worst.

And before someone tells me I dont know what I'm talking about, I'll just say I am indeed over 21, and have a degree in economics, so I at least know enough to know that the economy is cyclical. That being said, I think that a shift this extreme (from the largest surplus in US history to the largest deficit in US history) in such a short period of time is incredibly irresponsible, and I am absolutely dreading what the condition of this country will be in another 4 years under GW.

[DeltAlum]

How about a little perspective.

Not many men really wanted to get drafted.

Men who were in college -- in good standing -- were entitled to deferment(s) until they finished. Both Clinton and Cheney took advantage of that.

Early in the war, men who were married with children were entitled to deferments. Cheney took advantage of that, also.

Other ways to keep from being drafted were to join one of the active branches of the military or the National Guard or Reserve. There were only so many slots available until they reached their authorized strength. There were long waiting lists. Bush apparantely used his family influence to get one of those slots. Frankly, a lot of guys did that, too.

Kerry, of course, served in the Navy with some distinction.

Nobody broke any laws. You can make your own decision about each, but to me Kerry took the high road -- the rest played the game like millions of other young men of my generation.

In the overall scope of things, it was a non-issue until each party decided to try to exploit it one way or the other. It appears that both have tried to back off because it was going nowhere.

ETA an updated joke from a few years ago: What's the difference between Jane Fonda and (take your pick, Dan Quale, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney)?

Answer: Jane Fonda's been to Vietnam.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by pirepresent
All military records aside, I'm voting for Kerry because in the past 3 years, Bush has truly come to frighten me, much more so than when he ran in 2000.

He is an absolutely horrific manager of social and fiscal policy. His "trusted advisors" are to me, absolutely terrifying. These people have literally taken the country from the best it's ever been to the absolute worst.

And before someone tells me I dont know what I'm talking about, I'll just say I am indeed over 21, and have a degree in economics, so I at least know enough to know that the economy is cyclical. That being said, I think that a shift this extreme (from the largest surplus in US history to the largest deficit in US history) in such a short period of time is incredibly irresponsible, and I am absolutely dreading what the condition of this country will be in another 4 years under GW.

And in terms of Economics, I'm sorry to say you're mistaken. The global Economy is largely being driven by the US deficit and the current situation with Chinese banks.

-Rudey

[RedHotChiO]

Originally posted by Optimist Prime

Okay, and now I have a question...how is Bush going to attack Kerry's military service record?
Kerry=Three Purple Hearts
Bush=awol from the Air Guard. [/B]

Considering how the Bush Administration went after Max Cleland, a triple amputee Vietnam War Veteran and the youngest person to ever serve as the head of the VA, and called him unpatriotic for voting against one version of the resolution to go to War with Iraq, I'm not putting it past Bush to do anything. However, I really liked it when they got Saxby Chambliss, a man that deferred from going to the Vietnam War FOUR times because a "football injury", to question John Kerry's military record. Why is it that President Bush can't find someone who actually went to war to attack John Kerry's military record?!?!

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by RedHotChiO
Considering how the Bush Administration went after Max Cleland, a triple amputee Vietnam War Veteran and the youngest person to ever serve as the head of the VA, and called him unpatriotic for voting against one version of the resolution to go to War with Iraq, I'm not putting it past Bush to do anything. However, I really liked it when they got Saxby Chambliss, a man that deferred from going to the Vietnam War FOUR times because a "football injury", to question John Kerry's military record. Why is it that President Bush can't find someone who actually went to war to attack John Kerry's military record?!?!

I think Max will take his old seat back. Saxby isn't very popular right now but not as unpopular as Gov Purdue. I think good ole Sonny ruined some things for the Georgia Republicans. I guess we will know for sure come November. To bad Max can't get his old seat back till the 2006 elections.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RedHotChiO
Considering how the Bush Administration went after Max Cleland, a triple amputee Vietnam War Veteran and the youngest person to ever serve as the head of the VA, and called him unpatriotic for voting against one version of the resolution to go to War with Iraq, I'm not putting it past Bush to do anything. However, I really liked it when they got Saxby Chambliss, a man that deferred from going to the Vietnam War FOUR times because a "football injury", to question John Kerry's military record. Why is it that President Bush can't find someone who actually went to war to attack John Kerry's military record?!?!

They're not attacking his military record. Again, Clinton, a draft dodger, was president and McCain, who served and sustained heavy injuries, never had a shot. It's about what happened after the war.

-Rudey

[RedHotChiO]

I think if Max really wanted to run, he would do it now. The Georgia Senate seat is totally gone even though the Democrats have fielded two different candidates.

[AlphaXiGirl]

Originally posted by RedHotChiO
Why is it that President Bush can't find someone who actually went to war to attack John Kerry's military record?!?!

Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief', Say Former Military Colleagues
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
May 03, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is "unfit to be commander-in-chief." They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.

"What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension," John O'Neill, a Vietnam veteran who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com . The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

"We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief," O'Neill said.

Full article: http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialR...20040503a.html

We'll see if this makes it to the mainstream media.

[pirepresent]

Originally posted by Rudey
And in terms of Economics, I'm sorry to say you're mistaken. The global Economy is largely being driven by the US deficit and the current situation with Chinese banks.

-Rudey

If you had read my post, you'd see I wasn't referring to the global economy. I was referring to the DOMESTIC economy, which has been horrifically mismanaged by the bush administration.

You seem like a pretty smart guy Rudey, so I'm sure you're familiar with the textbook economics behind fiscal policy during a recession. When the country is facing a large deficit, you do not cut taxes. You RAISE taxes. This provides the federal goverment more spending power and funding to drive social programs and the commercial industry. The boost in spending to the commercial sector in turn drives higher levels of income and employment, and helps boost the economy out of recession.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by pirepresent
If you had read my post, you'd see I wasn't referring to the global economy. I was referring to the DOMESTIC economy, which has been horrifically mismanaged by the bush administration.

You seem like a pretty smart guy Rudey, so I'm sure you're familiar with the textbook economics behind fiscal policy during a recession. When the country is facing a large deficit, you do not cut taxes. You RAISE taxes. This provides the federal goverment more spending power and funding to drive social programs and the commercial industry. The boost in spending to the commercial sector in turn drives higher levels of income and employment, and helps boost the economy out of recession.

A) US and Global are tied together.

B) There are fears in terms of the deficit by some but it's not considered the biggest deal. Yes it should be addressed and fixed, but it isn't considered an economic disaster.

C) I am an incredibly smart guy

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

AnchorAlum, I think you have absolutely no grounds to judge our life experiences. Just because we are young does not mean we are unintelligent or we haven't lived through a lot. Behavior like yours is a prime reason the youth of American are turning away from politics - because a bunch of spoiled old white people don't care what THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY thinks.

I think we all know I'm voting for Kerry, but what's more telling is both my Army veteran father and my Army veteran grandfather are as well. My dad is very independent and normally decides close to the election, but he's irate at the Bush administration's policies on several issues. I'm very confident my mom will also be voting Kerry. If you don't care about me, care about the fact that my upper class parents are sick and tired of having the WASP mentality imposed on the rest of the country.

As for economics: nobody can talk about it anymore until they've taken a monetary policy class, so, Hi Rudey and damasa, let's play.