A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by naraht

So if, to you, chromosomes determine, is it the existence of a Y chromosome that determines gender regardless of what you can see about the person? If the cells have a Y chromosome, but Breasts, a Vagina and no facial hair, that's a guy, right? Even if they by inspection with the naked eye, the child looks female, once the Chromosomes have been looked at, that's a boy?

Part of the reasons that cis/trans in sexual characteristics is so complicated is that instead of measuring one thing, thirty or more are measured. Do they normally line up in 97% (more or less) of the population, sure. But the 3% exists.

And *that* is complete ignoring the Psychology...

First, that “to you” part is really cute, but chromosomes being the blueprint for sex isn’t a personal opinion, it’s biology 101. Doctors don’t say, “What do you feel like today?” They run a karyotype if there’s an actual medical anomaly.

Second, you’re describing real disorders of sexual development, which exist, yes. But you just proved my point again. When the visible anatomy doesn’t line up, guess what? They look at the chromosomes to figure it out. Because the blueprint doesn’t lie.

So you’re basically saying, “If a rare glitch happens, does that mean the whole blueprint is flexible?” No. A glitch doesn’t rewrite the design for the other 97%.

And tossing in “psychology” at the end doesn’t change chromosomes either. Feelings can’t swap a Y for an X.

So “to you”? Nope. It’s not to me. It’s just how DNA works.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

First, that “to you” part is really cute, but chromosomes being the blueprint for sex isn’t a personal opinion, it’s biology 101. Doctors don’t say, “What do you feel like today?” They run a karyotype if there’s an actual medical anomaly.

Second, you’re describing real disorders of sexual development, which exist, yes. But you just proved my point again. When the visible anatomy doesn’t line up, guess what? They look at the chromosomes to figure it out. Because the blueprint doesn’t lie.

So you’re basically saying, “If a rare glitch happens, does that mean the whole blueprint is flexible?” No. A glitch doesn’t rewrite the design for the other 97%.

And tossing in “psychology” at the end doesn’t change chromosomes either. Feelings can’t swap a Y for an X.

So “to you”? Nope. It’s not to me. It’s just how DNA works.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

So existance of Y chromosome determines it for you, not what you can see externally, regardless of whether that infant looks like most babies with XX.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by naraht

So existance of Y chromosome determines it for you, not what you can see externally, regardless of whether that infant looks like most babies with XX.

You keep asking the same question but skipping the answer. If the outside doesn’t match, doctors don’t just guess, they run a karyotype because chromosomes settle what the anatomy can’t.

That’s not my rule, that’s medicine. You’re proving my point every time you circle back, lol.

I’m not going to let you pretend you’re discovering new ground when you’re just going in circles.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

You keep asking the same question but skipping the answer. If the outside doesn’t match, doctors don’t just guess, they run a karyotype because chromosomes settle what the anatomy can’t.

That’s not my rule, that’s medicine. You’re proving my point every time you circle back, lol.

I’m not going to let you pretend you’re discovering new ground when you’re just going in circles.

Karyotypes are only run if there is some reason to. If the body looks "Female Normal", why run a Karyotype that would show that there is a Y?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by naraht

Karyotypes are only run if there is some reason to. If the body looks "Female Normal", why run a Karyotype that would show that there is a Y?

…. Umm.. when you do look, it’s the final answer. The blueprint settles the mismatch. And when you don’t look, you’re just assuming the blueprint matches the appearance, so you’re still trusting the blueprint. So you’re admitting the blueprint matters so much you only test when you suspect it might not match — meaning the blueprint’s the standard. So, you just proved my point… again.

You’re not throwing me off, naraht, you’re just proving my point on repeat, lol. It’s like, you keep dressing the same question in new outfits.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

You keep asking the same question but skipping the answer. If the outside doesn’t match, doctors don’t just guess, they run a karyotype because chromosomes settle what the anatomy can’t.

That’s not my rule, that’s medicine. You’re proving my point every time you circle back, lol.

I’m not going to let you pretend you’re discovering new ground when you’re just going in circles.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

…. Umm.. when you do look, it’s the final answer. The blueprint settles the mismatch. And when you don’t look, you’re just assuming the blueprint matches the appearance, so you’re still trusting the blueprint. So you’re admitting the blueprint matters so much you only test when you suspect it might not match — meaning the blueprint’s the standard. So, you just proved my point… again.

You’re not throwing me off, naraht, you’re just proving my point on repeat, lol. It’s like, you keep dressing the same question in new outfits.

LMAO! I hollered.

[Phrozen Sands]

I’m still over here trippin that (according to Belle) black folks are “equal” to a weirdo asking for acceptance into a predominantly white GLO, as if they’re the “standard”.

[33girl]

I just tried that link in the other thread and it didn't work.

Also gay couples have been roommates and dormmates since the dawn of time. They just didn't talk about it.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I’m still over here trippin that (according to Belle) black folks are “equal” to a weirdo asking for acceptance into a predominantly white GLO, as if they’re the “standard”.

But are they really the standard? The traditional?

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by Zach

But are they really the standard? The traditional?

She insinuated it in so many words. Like her shit is the norm while the weirdos and black peoples are “other” Lol.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

She insinuated it in so many words. Like her shit is the norm while the weirdos and black peoples are “other” Lol.

I’m not checking your post to call you out, because you’re not wrong to trip over that. But let’s really frame this with a little context, because the idea that predominantly white fraternities and sororities are the “standard” for Greek life is honestly kind of shaky when you look at the bigger historical lens.

Let’s look at the Greek letters themselves. The letters didn’t originate in isolation. The Greek alphabet evolved from the Phoenician script, which was heavily influenced by ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, meaning Africa and the Mediterranean were the real blueprint for what would become the Greek letters you see today. So even the symbols that white GLOs hold up as “traditional” trace back to Black and brown civilizations.

Go back to us, The Divine Nine. We didn’t just copy what was already there. We turned it into something new, a cultural institution that combined community service, scholarship, social justice, and cultural preservation. It wasn’t imitation, it was transformation.

So yeah, historically white fraternities were first in this country on paper, but that’s not the same thing as defining what Greek life became for Black people. We took an idea that started as a closed door and made it open-hearted for our communities. We planted it in culture, and that’s why it lives.

Are they really the “standard”? Or were they just the starting point? Because there’s a difference. And the difference is what keeps us enduring long after the party’s over. If you look at ours in comparison to theirs, I don’t know why you care or why her comment bothered you. Why are you offended? If you knew your history and knew that when you give Black people an inch, we go a 100 miles with it, I don’t think what was said would eat at you like it’s doing. When they make false comments like that, you really shouldn’t care and it shouldn’t bother you.