A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

[carnation]

Unfortunately, I have known of several men who represented themselves as transgender women to get into a women's restroom or other place and then do something awful. The first case I know of was a town over ten years ago.

I taught at a college in the same town after that and a man very badly dressed as a woman strolled into the bathroom (I was in there). He stood there for a moment and moved towards my ESOL students and they screamed and ran out. I called the cops, but about half never came back to class again.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by carnation

Unfortunately, I have known of several men who represented themselves as transgender women to get into a women's restroom or other place and then do something awful. The first case I know of was a town over ten years ago.

I taught at a college in the same town after that and a man very badly dressed as a woman strolled into the bathroom (I was in there). He stood there for a moment and moved towards my ESOL students and they screamed and ran out. I called the cops, but about half never came back to class again.

Yep, that’s exactly what happens when people swap biological fact for open-ended “feelings”.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by carnation

Unfortunately, I have known of several men who represented themselves as transgender women to get into a women's restroom or other place and then do something awful. The first case I know of was a town over ten years ago.

I taught at a college in the same town after that and a man very badly dressed as a woman strolled into the bathroom (I was in there). He stood there for a moment and moved towards my ESOL students and they screamed and ran out. I called the cops, but about half never came back to class again.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yep, that’s exactly what happens when people swap biological fact for open-ended “feelings”.

This right here is just straight up weirdo shit. Whole blueprint doesn’t lie but folks out here trying to scribble over it with crayons.

[carnation]

It sure is. We called my supervisor and she said we had to respect his right to be there so we wouldn't hurt his feelings. Therefore after that, the remaining women and I went to a bathroom on the other side of campus.

The men in class offered to stand guard outside the bathroom and beat the crap out of him if he appeared.

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by carnation

Unfortunately, I have known of several men who represented themselves as transgender women to get into a women's restroom or other place and then do something awful. The first case I know of was a town over ten years ago.

I taught at a college in the same town after that and a man very badly dressed as a woman strolled into the bathroom (I was in there). He stood there for a moment and moved towards my ESOL students and they screamed and ran out. I called the cops, but about half never came back to class again.

Yep. I didn’t actually believe this happened, until I experienced it in some of the social services settings I’ve worked in.

No one is saying “all trans people are predators” but biological men who may or may not be transgender do put themselves in women’s personal spaces for nefarious reasons. Maybe 1 out of 100, but it’s the one who has really bad intentions and can create dangerous situations. No one would (to use some GC lingo) “perp” as a trans person to infiltrate women-only spaces who was not seriously disturbed.

When it’s a biological male who is, let’s say…fully functioning…women’s safety is paramount. Particularly considering the women in question most likely already have trauma issues and are most likely displaced and in the care of social services due at least in part to those issues.

It does suck for the majority of trans people who can be in the situation and handle themselves appropriately…getting lumped in with people who are just sex predators. Conversely, the majority of trans people I’ve encountered professionally have been in this group.

[navane]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I've never been afraid of any transgender women. Of all the people I know who have been raped, the rapist has never been a transgender woman. It's always been a cisgender man. That's who I'm afraid of.

Not to throw a wrench into the works......but I work with convicted criminals for a living. Not "all", but a number of male rapists will become transgender females later.

We do have a decent number of transgender women housed in our male prisons. A couple of years ago, I started to notice that the transgender inmates seemed to have a higher incidence of being sex offenders, namely rapists. Looking at their booking photos over the years, they were male-appearing at first and then, over time, transitioned to being transgender women while in prison.

I was curious to see in verifiable data what the actual percentage is vs transgender inmates who are not sex offenders. I am able to pull a report for how many transgender inmates we have and I am able to pull a report for how many sex offenders we have....but I am not able to pull a report for transgender inmates who are sex offenders. I would have to look each one up manually - that would be a big project and it's not a part of my daily job duties, thus not a super great use of my employer's time.

I find this interesting from an academic, non-political viewpoint. It would be interesting to examine if some male rapists are possibly doing so because they feel "different" inside and they are taking it out on females, in essence, because they hate themselves for feeling that way.

But please don't assume that a male rapist means that he's definitely heterosexual and non-transgender. I was quite intrigued when I started to put two and two together........

[Pinkmagnolia921]

I'm feeling a bit under the weather so hope I can express myself clearly. A while back there was a very long post about the KKG/Wyoming situation. Comments were ultimately turned off because some comments became truly hateful.

Included in that post was a link to a PDF about Kappa's rules about Transgender members living in one of their chapter houses. These included giving a Tran's member her own room in the house if a Single Room was available. If not, the Trans Sister had the right to occupy a double room and the chapter would pay the rent for the empty bed.

I was a bit flabbergasted at the time about why they were bending over backwards to help Trans members live in the house at the exclusion of another Sister who might have wanted that empty bed?

Do any Sororities currently have Trans members living in a chapter house? While this is not the same issue, do Sororities allow gay women who are sexual partners to live together as roommates? What happens if this couple breaks up, but still have to occupy the same room because there is no place else to live. Do we allow our gay Sisters to bring home a sexual partner for the night, when we don't allow our straight Sisters to bring a guy up to the second floor of the house, ever? There is just so much more nuance to these things when I was a Collegian.