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Old 08-24-2020, 12:19 AM
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You absolutely have a right to feel however you want or say whatever you want.

The word “woke” is positive in our culture. It’s about awakening. It’s about learning more about our culture, race, barriers, history and injustices. It’s what drives us to fight for equity and to help others to do the same.

In quite a few posts, “woke” has been used to describe sorority members who seem to want to see the equities and diversity in their organizations, except it’s a negative connotation. Additionally, some of the visual aids provided have shown people who have little to no desire to see equity for people like me in this country. That’s disappointing to me.

I come here because I enjoy learning more about my sister and brother greeks. Many of you have helped me be able to connect with students better and even some of my alumni colleagues. I’ve had some great conversations in the DM’s and compared ideas. It’s a commonality that we share. But it’s disappointing to read comments where “gangs,” are randomly mentioned, had people make comments alluding Black people being a monolithic group or where “wokeness” has been co-opted and used in a negative light. It’s simply not being used correctly and the way it was used was offensive. What’s more disappointing is why I attempt to discuss my feelings, thoughts or experiences from the perspective of a Black woman in conversations of race and diversity, I am often ignored and the conversation is instead centered in non-Black experiences or “I have a Black friend/coworker/neighbor” experiences.

Again, I can’t tell you how to feel or what to say. I can’t tell you what to do with your rituals or how to run your organizations. I try my best to give insight and perspectives in conversations because I know there are very few of us who are here or participating. And no, I don’t speak for all of us, but if I can bring clarity I certainly try.

In regards to a melting pot, it’s fine to find commonalities in people, but not when you ignore differences or histories. There are things that began in Black cultures and were adapted by other cultures, only to be used without any understanding of the histories behind it, and a prime example is the word “woke” that has been used on GC. There is nothing wrong with appreciating other cultures, but just like tik tok dances, badly researched articles, cornrows, hip hop and other music forms, many aspects of fashion, slang, NPHC Greek life and numerous other examples, it’s frustrating to see people use things without acknowledging, learning or even caring about the actual people who created it. Color blindness means not acknowledging some of the most important aspects of who I am and my history.

I don’t know any of you personally and I try my best not to judge, but I’ve certainly seen some comments that don’t always make me feel welcomed on GC.
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Old 08-24-2020, 08:00 AM
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There are things that began in Black cultures and were adapted by other cultures, only to be used without any understanding of the histories behind it, and a prime example is the word “woke” that has been used on GC. There is nothing wrong with appreciating other cultures, but just like tik tok dances, badly researched articles, cornrows, hip hop and other music forms, many aspects of fashion, slang, NPHC Greek life and numerous other examples, it’s frustrating to see people use things without acknowledging, learning or even caring about the actual people who created it. Color blindness means not acknowledging some of the most important aspects of who I am and my history.
I used bold text for emphasis, Thank you!!! I am not African American but, forums like this allow me to learn more about the culture and even experiences I haven't been privy to both good and bad.

I think your point about appreciating other cultures is spot on, that's great if you want to appreciate an aspect of another culture, but I think its important to do some homework too. I'll use myself as an example, I've been to both east and west Africa about 4 times some was for work other trips were with my church, and it was such an incredible and humbling experience for many reasons. While on a break day I generally love to go to outdoor markets when I travel just to get some things to take home to remember. Generally, I'm not drawn to clothing per se when I travel but African textiles were a game changer, they were just beautiful, I took time to ask the shop keepers the meaning behind the patterns and their significance and some were quite deep. So for me and especially when I wear my ankara dresses I got in Ghana, I wear them with affection and with respect to the people who took the time and care to craft them. I'm under no illusion that I am African or African American, but I wear them with appreciation and if someone asks I explain where I got the item and that the patterns tell a story to me its important to have some appreciation. Generally too it opens up another dialogue to discuss my trips to Africa.

Over the last couple of months, I used to say I didn't see color of others, but realized has you say it means not acknowledging someone and who they are and their history.

Also I've learned a lot about NPHC groups through this forum and the great insight provided by those who are members of NPHC groups. So I'm grateful for that, even though I have some friends and co-workers who are members of different NPHC groups and I've asked a few very general questions when they brought up their membership, I am always a bit careful since I don't want to ask something that might be a no-go area for someone who isn't a member.

In general based on other interactions I've had with friends and those who I thought were friends on FB and previously IRL, for some like myself its ok to not agree with everyone, but for others it just seems like sitting behind a computer screen people feel like they have the right to get in the last word to make their point across.

I've chosen to go through life loving others as best as I can (granted far from perfect) but to also try and keep an open ear to listen to what others have to say and to share their experience.
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Old 08-24-2020, 11:28 AM
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You absolutely have a right to feel however you want or say whatever you want.

The word “woke” is positive in our culture. It’s about awakening. It’s about learning more about our culture, race, barriers, history and injustices. It’s what drives us to fight for equity and to help others to do the same.

In quite a few posts, “woke” has been used to describe sorority members who seem to want to see the equities and diversity in their organizations, except it’s a negative connotation. Additionally, some of the visual aids provided have shown people who have little to no desire to see equity for people like me in this country. That’s disappointing to me.

I come here because I enjoy learning more about my sister and brother greeks. Many of you have helped me be able to connect with students better and even some of my alumni colleagues. I’ve had some great conversations in the DM’s and compared ideas. It’s a commonality that we share. But it’s disappointing to read comments where “gangs,” are randomly mentioned, had people make comments alluding Black people being a monolithic group or where “wokeness” has been co-opted and used in a negative light. It’s simply not being used correctly and the way it was used was offensive. What’s more disappointing is why I attempt to discuss my feelings, thoughts or experiences from the perspective of a Black woman in conversations of race and diversity, I am often ignored and the conversation is instead centered in non-Black experiences or “I have a Black friend/coworker/neighbor” experiences.

Again, I can’t tell you how to feel or what to say. I can’t tell you what to do with your rituals or how to run your organizations. I try my best to give insight and perspectives in conversations because I know there are very few of us who are here or participating. And no, I don’t speak for all of us, but if I can bring clarity I certainly try.

In regards to a melting pot, it’s fine to find commonalities in people, but not when you ignore differences or histories. There are things that began in Black cultures and were adapted by other cultures, only to be used without any understanding of the histories behind it, and a prime example is the word “woke” that has been used on GC. There is nothing wrong with appreciating other cultures, but just like tik tok dances, badly researched articles, cornrows, hip hop and other music forms, many aspects of fashion, slang, NPHC Greek life and numerous other examples, it’s frustrating to see people use things without acknowledging, learning or even caring about the actual people who created it. Color blindness means not acknowledging some of the most important aspects of who I am and my history.

I don’t know any of you personally and I try my best not to judge, but I’ve certainly seen some comments that don’t always make me feel welcomed on GC.

I really appreciate the time you took to write this post. Thank you for sharing your thoughts in what I perceived as a loving manner.
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