Yet to be Themed Re-recruitment Story

[AOE-7]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

So it is lame in your opinion, and a waste of time and resources in your opinion, but since it isn't your organization, then it's not your monkey; not your circus. Snarking on other Greek organizations' rules, traditions and regulations is bad form and makes for an ugly sandbox at playtime.

Okay, Sunshine, help understand why and how this is a good policy? Really. I want to know. For REALZ. How on EARTH does it make SENSE to force OMGQTFBBQ we absolutely gotta have a rec soooo, lets write some sh*t on a piece of paper about this girl in order to meet the 'national requirement' and call it a day.

Rainbow Unicorn sandbox or not, I am trying my damndest to understand how this is not, in a roundabout way, a 'forgery' or 'fake' or whatever else you want to call it.... because I don't know how on earth you can write a recommendation for somebody you don't frikkin' know. Reading their resume does not tell you a dang thing about their character or presentation, their people skills and if in fact they are a good fit for the chapter. Somebody could be spotless on paper and a piece of doo doo in person, and that poor frantic alumna writes a rec for her because she was "forced to" due to a bureaucratic policy.

Oh wait... I get it.... is rec writing part of ritual? Is that the "tradition" part of it that you speak of?

[Katmandu]

Well, Sunshine, I could answer you, but won't, because you are for REALZ, obnoxious.

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by AOE-7

Okay, Sunshine, help understand why and how this is a good policy? Really. I want to know. For REALZ. How on EARTH does it make SENSE to force OMGQTFBBQ we absolutely gotta have a rec soooo, lets write some sh*t on a piece of paper about this girl in order to meet the 'national requirement' and call it a day.

Rainbow Unicorn sandbox or not, I am trying my damndest to understand how this is not, in a roundabout way, a 'forgery' or 'fake' or whatever else you want to call it.... because I don't know how on earth you can write a recommendation for somebody you don't frikkin' know. Reading their resume does not tell you a dang thing about their character or presentation, their people skills and if in fact they are a good fit for the chapter. Somebody could be spotless on paper and a piece of doo doo in person, and that poor frantic alumna writes a rec for her because she was "forced to" due to a bureaucratic policy.

Oh wait... I get it.... is rec writing part of ritual? Is that the "tradition" part of it that you speak of?

Because policies and procedures like this have helped us build and sustain powerfully strong national and international organizations, many of them going on 150 years. Perhaps when your little young engineering sorority has this kind of strength and experience under its belt, you can share the policies that have gotten you there too.

See? It's not so difficult to be rude and dismissive about a very different organization that you don't know or understand now, is it?

[AOE-7]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

Because policies and procedures like this have helped us build and sustain powerfully strong national and international organizations, many of them going on 150 years. Perhaps when your little young engineering sorority has this kind of strength and experience under its belt, you can share the policies that have gotten you there too.

See? It's not so difficult to be rude and dismissive about a very different organization that you don't know or understand now, is it?

My username has nothing to do with a sorority. I'm not an engineer. You are wrong, sock.

[BlueCarnation]

Originally Posted by AOE-7

Okay, Sunshine, help understand why and how this is a good policy? Really. I want to know. For REALZ. How on EARTH does it make SENSE to force OMGQTFBBQ we absolutely gotta have a rec soooo, lets write some sh*t on a piece of paper about this girl in order to meet the 'national requirement' and call it a day.

Rainbow Unicorn sandbox or not, I am trying my damndest to understand how this is not, in a roundabout way, a 'forgery' or 'fake' or whatever else you want to call it.... because I don't know how on earth you can write a recommendation for somebody you don't frikkin' know. Reading their resume does not tell you a dang thing about their character or presentation, their people skills and if in fact they are a good fit for the chapter. Somebody could be spotless on paper and a piece of doo doo in person, and that poor frantic alumna writes a rec for her because she was "forced to" due to a bureaucratic policy.

Oh wait... I get it.... is rec writing part of ritual? Is that the "tradition" part of it that you speak of?

I'm not sure what my national organization's policy is, but maybe we can agree that we don't necessarily agree with everything our organizations do? Either way, I think we all take our memberships seriously, and while we may not have the same practices as you do, we won't mock your traditions and rituals, so please don't mock us.

Anyway, yes, KC 96, PLEASE COME BACK!!!! We want to know how things went!

[AOE-7]

Originally Posted by BlueCarnation

I'm not sure what my national organization's policy is, but maybe we can agree that we don't necessarily agree with everything our organizations do? Either way, I think we all take our memberships seriously, and while we may not have the same practices as you do, we won't mock your traditions and rituals, so please don't mock us.

Yes, I was a sassy smart ass with my first post, but the responses I received were....mmmmm.... just as smart ass (if not more), and didn't bother to answer any of the questions I posed. I didn't think the questions I asked were terribly hard:

1)Does someone actually take the time to ready the recs that people fratically scramble to obtain? IF NOT, then yes, it's a waste of that person's time, so I hope for all of y'alls sake that somebody is reading each and every damn one of them!

2)If they are actually being read...what's the outcome after reading them? Can someone's bid be denied as a result of that little piece of paper? If these recs are required before being offered a bid.... it would seem to me that some higher power should need to read them BEFORE offering the bid, correct? Which means, that rec would need to be secured (and read by the 'higher power') BEFORE preference.... but maybe I'm overthinking the logistics of this. (Logically speaking, if you have a requirement to have this item, you should have to "do" something with it other than simply file it away to say "we met the requirement by having random words scribbled on a piece of paper.")

3) I'm still having a terribly difficult time understanding how this is not straight up fakery/forgery. If you do not know the person, how do you write a rec? Someone else said "trust your sisters." Okay.... why should a (FAKE RECOMMENDATION!) piece of paper need to be written by some alumna to "prove" that trust on behalf of the collegiate chapter in order to allow them to extend a bid? Why can the collegiate women not vouch for themselves based on what they have learned about that woman over the course of recruitment and their interactions with her leading up to? Why the bureaucratic nonsense?

Instead of getting defensive about the fact that your organization does have this policy, why not think about these questions at face value. What is the REAL purpose? I still don't understand why fake references are a policy other than "just because that's the way it's always been" and none of you have been able to (or are willing to share) one legit reason why.

[BlueCarnation]

Originally Posted by AOE-7

Yes, I was a sassy smart ass with my first post, but the responses I received were....mmmmm.... just as smart ass (if not more), and didn't bother to answer any of the questions I posed. I didn't think the questions I asked were terribly hard:

1)Does someone actually take the time to ready the recs that people fratically scramble to obtain? IF NOT, then yes, it's a waste of that person's time, so I hope for all of y'alls sake that somebody is reading each and every damn one of them!

2)If they are actually being read...what's the outcome after reading them? Can someone's bid be denied as a result of that little piece of paper? If these recs are required before being offered a bid.... it would seem to me that some higher power should need to read them BEFORE offering the bid, correct? Which means, that rec would need to be secured (and read by the 'higher power') BEFORE preference.... but maybe I'm overthinking the logistics of this. (Logically speaking, if you have a requirement to have this item, you should have to "do" something with it other than simply file it away to say "we met the requirement by having random words scribbled on a piece of paper.")

3) I'm still having a terribly difficult time understanding how this is not straight up fakery/forgery. If you do not know the person, how do you write a rec? Someone else said "trust your sisters." Okay.... why should a (FAKE RECOMMENDATION!) piece of paper need to be written by some alumna to "prove" that trust on behalf of the collegiate chapter in order to allow them to extend a bid? Why can the collegiate women not vouch for themselves based on what they have learned about that woman over the course of recruitment and their interactions with her leading up to? Why the bureaucratic nonsense?

Instead of getting defensive about the fact that your organization does have this policy, why not think about these questions at face value. What is the REAL purpose? I still don't understand why fake references are a policy other than "just because that's the way it's always been" and none of you have been able to (or are willing to share) one legit reason why.

I'm not saying that I disagree with you at all. I think you have a lot of good points. But as AZTheta suggests, why not bring it up with your national organization, rather than getting snippy with a bunch of people you don't know on the internet who may or may not be a part of your organization? Why should we bother trying to have an intelligent, thoughtful conversation with you if you start it off by being a smartass? Your points may be valid, but you lost a lot of people with your attitude. You're not going to change any policies here. If you're really that concerned, contact people who can do something about it, but I suggest leaving the attitude out of it.