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Old 09-05-2015, 02:06 PM
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Some chapters just have dumbass members who should not have been initiated in the first place, but somehow slipped through the cracks.

--it'll only get worse as we move to eliminate pledging.
Kevin, just to remind you that LXA outlawed hazing @ 1985 and seems to be working out very well.

True, any chapter will have dumb assed actives and I think an Alumni group should be on top of something like this and quash it in the bud! Here is when I point out that Alums are still important part of any GLO.

Kevin, you and I are a lot in sync on 100 % of things and I thank you for your post!
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Old 10-08-2015, 06:17 PM
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Well this is an interesting twist at the end. I wonder if all the media who were so happy to spread the word about a possible hate crime involving a fraternity will just as eagerly run a follow up about the supposed "victim" being the actual aggressor and making false reports to police.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news...ght-police-say
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:23 AM
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Kevin, just to remind you that LXA outlawed hazing @ 1985 and seems to be working out very well.

True, any chapter will have dumb assed actives and I think an Alumni group should be on top of something like this and quash it in the bud! Here is when I point out that Alums are still important part of any GLO.

Kevin, you and I are a lot in sync on 100 % of things and I thank you for your post!
Any chapter which is part of the FIPG likely banned hazing while I was still in diapers. Banning dumbass, risky activity isn't going to end it. The fact is, our collegiate members are only members for 4 years. They depend on alumni for their institutional memory. If alumni show up to the house to show them bows and toes and to sing racist basement songs, that will be the culture of the chapter.
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:11 AM
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Any chapter which is part of the FIPG likely banned hazing while I was still in diapers. Banning dumbass, risky activity isn't going to end it. The fact is, our collegiate members are only members for 4 years. They depend on alumni for their institutional memory. If alumni show up to the house to show them bows and toes and to sing racist basement songs, that will be the culture of the chapter.
Kevin,
that is so true!

My chapter is blessed with a great Alumni group who would not put up with any stupidity in any kind of hazing!

You being a founder probably did the same as i did, NO Hazing.

But old line chapters who hazed, I am sure that the mentality of hey we were hazed and if good enough for us, it is good enough for current members. These thought must stop!
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:45 AM
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These thought must stop!
--or at least they should be allowed to die out before recolonizations happen.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:42 AM
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I can't say I'm totally surprised by the turn of events. We saw something similar happen with ZBT at UF. A fraternity is a very easy and believable target of these accusations--in part because so many of these things actually happen.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:11 PM
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I can't say I'm totally surprised by the turn of events. We saw something similar happen with ZBT at UF. A fraternity is a very easy and believable target of these accusations--in part because so many of these things actually happen.
So many of what things? Homophobia in fraternities is a huge issue, and I do not doubt that at many given campuses (if not most), bids are denied, flamboyantly gay members are not admitted to parties, etc. But this man alleged he was ganged up on, unprompted, by several men, punched in the face, and stripped naked. "So many of those things" do not actually happen. At my alma mater, which wasn't exactly Ole Miss but was an extremely large, traditional, and stereotypical Greek school, a chapter that did the above would be absolutely unthinkable. Subtler displays of homophobia, unfortunately, would not. Not to say violent, homophobic assault hasn't happened in places (although still, that would have been utterly unthinkable in my chapter and campus), but I think we are doing a huge disservice in terms of moving chapters forward by dramatizing the issues our systems have. By holding that incidents like this are what we are talking about, we are steering away from the real discrimination that happens on a day to day business...ie, comments like "Well he's chill, but do we want to be known as the house with a gay pledge?" and "Well if we bid him, I don't want him in the showers" etc.

This reminds me of the UVA rape debacle, in which the story was run about several men coordinating and premeditating an attack in which the victim was raped repeatedly, punched, cut by glass, etc. People were quick to jump on that story too, which to my ears as somebody who has been in a fraternity sounded patently absurd and completely made up. It turned out to be false. Similarly, I don't disbelieve the fraternity culture has rape issues, but it seemed from my time on the college campuses that many of them were issues of questionable consent/drunk consent/between friends. The idea of anybody in my chapter meeting up to discuss luring a woman to our house and beating her up is so beyond plausible, however, the idea of some of my brothers getting a little too drunk with a girl and taking silence for consent is not. We need to work on fixing the latter attitude.

I think the media jumps on the most extreme stories because they meet a public perception that people have, whereas many of the issues actually in the fraternity system are of a far subtler (but no less insidious) nature. I think we are going to see something similar with the UCLA "Blackface" party, where it is becoming more and more apparent each day that no actual blackface occurred. However, that is not to stay that subtler issues of discrimination, like parties that may lead to ethnic stereotypes, need fixing here. But students and media labeled it blackface before any proof was found, and no such proof has actually appeared.

And of course, after these chapters are smeared through the mud, no public retraction ever gets even a tenth as much of attention, and these students are left as guilty in the public eyes, all the while losing the opportunity to correct subtler issues of discrimination, sexism, racism, rape culture etc that may have actually existed in those chapters.

Your mileage may vary tremendously, of course.

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