RFM-pref day

[carnation]

I've already talked with several PNMs this year who've been in or are in this situation. "How should I gamble? That I list all 3 and hope for A or B? Or should I only list A and B and hope I don't get the call?"

Had we had this situation when I was rushing, I would've been a basket case!

[AlphaXi_Husky]

Originally Posted by carnation

I've already talked with several PNMs this year who've been in or are in this situation. "How should I gamble? That I list all 3 and hope for A or B? Or should I only list A and B and hope I don't get the call?"

Had we had this situation when I was rushing, I would've been a basket case!

I think it really depends on if they can see themselves in Chapter C. If they can't, or they're going to ruin bid day by crying all over Chapter C's decorations and spirits, then don't list Chapter C.


If it's the type of campus where it's "pledge as a freshman or don't even try going Greek", then it depends on how badly the PNM wants to be Greek, ANY Greek.


It's a tough call in any case!

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by carnation

I've already talked with several PNMs this year who've been in or are in this situation. "How should I gamble? That I list all 3 and hope for A or B? Or should I only list A and B and hope I don't get the call?"

Had we had this situation when I was rushing, I would've been a basket case!

My advice is to NOT list C unless you are willing to accept a bid from them and make it work. If you HATE C, then don't list them. The most likely outcome is that you are going to be placed at C, rather than be a quota addition. You are better off not being bound to a C bid and hoping for COB opportunities.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by KDCat

My advice is to NOT list C unless you are willing to accept a bid from them and make it work. If you HATE C, then don't list them. The most likely outcome is that you are going to be placed at C, rather than be a quota addition. You are better off not being bound to a C bid and hoping for COB opportunities.

But really, I would say that listing C means you don't have to make a decision immediately. If you get C, you can see how you feel once you've gotten some sleep, met your pledge sisters, gotten started with classes, etc. Whereas not listing C, and ending up bidless, can mean never getting to go Greek on a lot of campuses.

Often when I am super-stressed about a decision, the most comforting thing is knowing I can delay the decision. Listing all three on your bid card does that, in a way.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

But really, I would say that listing C means you don't have to make a decision immediately. If you get C, you can see how you feel once you've gotten some sleep, met your pledge sisters, gotten started with classes, etc. Whereas not listing C, and ending up bidless, can mean never getting to go Greek on a lot of campuses.

Listing C and pledging to see how you feel about them later also makes her ineligible for any COB possibilities for a year.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by thetalady

Listing C and pledging to see how you feel about them later also makes her ineligible for any COB possibilities for a year.

Yes, so it's obviously campus dependent, but a lot of us know that formal recruitment in your freshman year is how 99% of women join chapters in the SEC.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yes, so it's obviously campus dependent, but a lot of us know that formal recruitment in your freshman year is how 99% of women join chapters in the SEC.

If this chapter is that far in the hole, they're going to have bids to give out a while after FR is over.

Like ladybug12 said, better to get 30 with a 60 quota who truly like the sorority, rather than getting 75, half of which you're doing the equivalent of begging a toddler to eat their vegetables everyday. It's really upsetting and debilitating for a chapter to have women drop like flies during pledgeship. It's also not fair to the girls who really do want to be there. They get overlooked when you're trying to talk the on-the-fencers into staying.

[TSteven]

Starting with this fall's 2015 formal recruitment, PNMs at Kentucky may attend up to two chapters for preference. This is down from previous years when a PNM could attend up to three preference parties.

What would be the reasoning behind this? I believe that historically, most PNMs get placed in their first choice. A much smaller number are placed with their second choice. And an even smaller number with their third choice. Does moving to two preferences “help” the PNMs and/or the chapters?

FYI: The rounds go from 13 (open house) to 10 to 6 to 2 (preference). Also, there will be a recolonization after formal recruitment.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If this chapter is that far in the hole, they're going to have bids to give out a while after FR is over.

Like ladybug12 said, better to get 30 with a 60 quota who truly like the sorority, rather than getting 75, half of which you're doing the equivalent of begging a toddler to eat their vegetables everyday. It's really upsetting and debilitating for a chapter to have women drop like flies during pledgeship. It's also not fair to the girls who really do want to be there. They get overlooked when you're trying to talk the on-the-fencers into staying.

I don't disagree, but there's a big difference between Suzie Southerner who would be MORTIFIED to return to her hometown wearing the "wrong" letters, and will never stay in chapter C; and Wendy Westcoaster who really *did* like the women she met in chapter C but has heard a ton of negative tent talk.

Good riddance to Suzie. Wendy can probably punt and see how she feels in a week. Women are stressed out and sleep-deprived and isolated when signing bid cards, and things may look different a week later.

Because let's be honest, if chapters A and B are top chapters, they are NOT going to be bidding women through COR any time soon.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

But really, I would say that listing C means you don't have to make a decision immediately. If you get C, you can see how you feel once you've gotten some sleep, met your pledge sisters, gotten started with classes, etc. Whereas not listing C, and ending up bidless, can mean never getting to go Greek on a lot of campuses.

Often when I am super-stressed about a decision, the most comforting thing is knowing I can delay the decision. Listing all three on your bid card does that, in a way.

It depends on what the COB environment looks like on your campus. If there are groups that may COB, but weren't among your pref parties, then you could be better off not putting down C. If you don't put down C, you are able to attend COB at houses that aren't A, B, or C.

If you put down C and are given a C bid, you are bound to that bid for one year. If you don't put down C and don't get a C bid, and X or Y or Z have COB, then you can attend those COB events and take a COB bid if one is offered.

If you are on a campus where COB is practically unheard of, and you want to try and can be positive while you try, then putting down C is a not a bad idea.

Even if you don't list C, though, if they don't make quota, then they are probably doing COB. You can go back to C during COB and give them a second look, without committing to anything.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by carnation

I've already talked with several PNMs this year who've been in or are in this situation. "How should I gamble? That I list all 3 and hope for A or B? Or should I only list A and B and hope I don't get the call?"

Had we had this situation when I was rushing, I would've been a basket case!

If it were my daughter I wouldn't have her list C if she absolutely can not see herself there. Her chances on getting C IMO are greater then being a quota addition because C will fill at a slower rate IF it is a WRC.