Bama APhi video

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Pretty tired of all the judging. Arizona is full of gorgeous women and men. Our climate is such that you can wear shorts and flip-flops year-around. There is a focus on being healthy and physically fit throughout the lifespan. So what? Put in the context of 18-19 year olds, those videos are fine and reflect what's happening in their world.

The video in question is in Alabama. It's hot here too, but the weather kind of hot is not the kind of hot depicted. And I wouldn't say that the scenes in Bryant Denny were really intended to represent physical fitness.

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Get off Alpha Phi's back. It could just as easily be YOUR chapter that is being talked about here. Seriously. Not kind, not Panhellenic at all. You have your opinion(s) which may or may not be based in fact. Again, so what?

Pan·hel·len·ic
ˌpanhəˈlenik/
adjective
adjective: Panhellenic

1. of, concerning, or representing all people of Greek origin or ancestry.
   • relating to, advocating, or denoting the idea of a political union of all Greeks.
   • of, concerning, or representing all college fraternities and sororities

I don't think the video itself is very Panhellenic.

Greek women everywhere should discourage stereotypes and speak up about issues that affect the Greek community. Chapters (specifically and in general) on the University of Alabama campus have been heavily criticized for lack of diversity and discrimination, for instance.

And this video certainly doesn't depict anything positive in the area of diversity. If anything, the depiction moves both the chapter and the University further away.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

The video in question is in Alabama. It's hot here too, but the weather kind of hot is not the kind of hot depicted. And I wouldn't say that the scenes in Bryant Denny were really intended to represent physical fitness.

I don't think the video itself is very Panhellenic.

Greek women everywhere should discourage stereotypes and speak up about issues that affect the Greek community. Chapters (specifically and in general) on the University of Alabama campus have been heavily criticized for lack of diversity and discrimination, for instance.

And this video certainly doesn't depict anything positive in the area of diversity. If anything, the depiction moves both the chapter and the University further away.

Thoughtful points, and well stated. However, the time and place for these criticisms might be after recruitment, not while PNMs and their friends and family could easily be reading these boards.

Also, the reality is that it is now a social norm for young women to post pictures of themselves in their bikinis, at the beach, etc on instagram and tumblr... whether they are in a sorority or not. We may disagree with this trend, but singling a few specific sororities for simply being a reflection of our culture at large, is neither productive nor gets the point across -- rather it can come across as critical of all young women of this age.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Thoughtful points, and well stated. However, the time and place for these criticisms might be after recruitment, not while PNMs and their friends and family could easily be reading these boards.

As someone who just got home from spending the day with impressionable teenage girls, I tell them every day what you put out on the internet is there for everyone to see. Once it's out there you can no longer control the message. So by putting the video out there, the proverbial cat is out of the bag. If the criticism is unfair, so be it. If there is praise out there, so be it. THEY, themselves, opened the can of worms by putting the video on YouTube. By doing so it's obvious they want major attention. And they got it. As, we say in PR, whether it be bad or good...at least people are talking about it!

I can also tell anyone who is reading this and then reporting back to Greekrank, I have seen nothing on here anywhere near the level of hate that I saw on Yik Yak about the subject. It's young people on Yik Yak, not the old "biddies". If you want to take aim at people who criticized the video, then head to the Yak.

I am not criticizing the video, nor am I criticizing those who are doing the criticizing."I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

The video in question is in Alabama. It's hot here too, but the weather kind of hot is not the kind of hot depicted. And I wouldn't say that the scenes in Bryant Denny were really intended to represent physical fitness.





I don't think the video itself is very Panhellenic.

Greek women everywhere should discourage stereotypes and speak up about issues that affect the Greek community. Chapters (specifically and in general) on the University of Alabama campus have been heavily criticized for lack of diversity and discrimination, for instance.

And this video certainly doesn't depict anything positive in the area of diversity. If anything, the depiction moves both the chapter and the University further away.

The bottom line is that this is Tent Talk, plain and simple. If you were standing out on sorority row voicing your opinions to other PNMs, I hope that a Rho Chi would pull you aside and tell you that it was inappropriate chatter. I'm not sure why we can't hold ourselves to the same standards.

[AOIILisa]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

THANK YOU.

Grateful there was no Internet/social media/digital cameras when I was in school.

Put in the context of 18-19 year olds, those videos are fine and reflect what's happening in their world.

Get off Alpha Phi's back. It could just as easily be YOUR chapter that is being talked about here. Seriously. Not kind, not Panhellenic at all. You have your opinion(s) which may or may not be based in fact. Again, so what? I suspect Alpha Phi will have NO TROUBLE attracting new members despite the sniping that is going on here. Go pick up your pearls and restring them.

#morethanalittleannoyed

Yeah, I'm glad social media wasn't around when I was in school either!

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Also, the reality is that it is now a social norm for young women to post pictures of themselves in their bikinis, at the beach, etc on instagram and tumblr... whether they are in a sorority or not. We may disagree with this trend, but singling a few specific sororities for simply being a reflection of our culture at large, is neither productive nor gets the point across -- rather it can come across as critical of all young women of this age.

Very true - AOII has many chapters with instagram and tumblrs that feature bikini pics and glamour shots, and like it or not, tiers are real and that is the way chapters try to raise their perceived status - by putting the "face girls" out there. It's actually pretty good marketing on this Alpha Phi chapter's part, because I think they are fairly new at Alabama, aren't they? I actually don't mind the video, and if I were an Alpha Phi, I would be pretty happy that everyone was talking about the chapter at Alabama. Hell, I wish it was AOII that everyone was talking about!

I think that 99.9% of girls in sororities are just in it for the college partying, fun, and friends, and don't view it as a lifetime commitment and something to be taken super seriously like most of us on the board here. They won't be the ones to be the national officers, advisers, or involved alumnae, so of course they have a different point of view about sorority experience - and a video like this wouldn't rattle any of their cages.

Just my .02.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

Very true - AOII has many chapters with instagram and tumblrs that feature bikini pics and glamour shots, and like it or not, tiers are real and that is the way chapters try to raise their perceived status - by putting the "face girls" out there. It's actually pretty good marketing on this Alpha Phi chapter's part, because I think they are fairly new at Alabama, aren't they?

This will be Alpha Phi's 8th year on campus I think.

I agree that it may be effective marketing -- this kind of marketing is used to sell just about everything -- I guess "effectiveness" depends on what one is selling and what customers one wants to attract.

Originally Posted by AOIILisa

I think that 99.9% of girls in sororities are just in it for the college partying, fun, and friends, and don't view it as a lifetime commitment and something to be taken super seriously like most of us on the board here.

Quite possibly, and for that reason I don't think anything said on this board will affect their recruitment whatsoever.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

The bottom line is that this is Tent Talk, plain and simple.

I disagree -- this is a recruitment video the chapter intentionally uploaded at the beginning of recruitment, for the purpose of being talked about during recruitment, not a rumor or reputation whispered 'round the corner by PNMs.

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

If you were standing out on sorority row voicing your opinions to other PNMs, I hope that a Rho Chi would pull you aside and tell you that it was inappropriate chatter. I'm not sure why we can't hold ourselves to the same standards.

Really?

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

And you presume I don't know people who had to be part of this. All I did was post their statement, relax. If people don't like being talked about, then don't give people a reason to talk about you.

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

We are greek. We are members of the NPC umbrella. We have a right to talk about something when we see something that doesn't feel right or just. I never said I was going to e-mail the president of UT, and I have no such plans. Calm down. You seem very scared that people are even talking about this.

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

And while you may not agree with e-mailing the president, you have made it very clear that this is nobody else's business except for those who are part of this organization or UT panhellenic. Well, unfortunately, this type of behavior effects all organizations, and feeds into the negative stereotypes about greeks. And attempts or pressure to silence people from addressing it in whatever fashion (e-mail, discussion, whatever) comes accross as defensive.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I disagree -- this is a recruitment video the chapter intentionally uploaded at the beginning of recruitment, for the purpose of being talked about during recruitment, not a rumor or reputation whispered 'round the corner by PNMs.



Really?

Fair enough. You pulled my quotes about the mistreatment of PNMs. I feel that when chapters' behavior intentionally violate rules and go out of their way to make PNMs feel excluded, it should be discussed.

But talking about the appearance of young women in a recruitment video, isn't the same.

[Aphigal]

[QUOTE=Hartofsec;2325322]I disagree -- this is a recruitment video the chapter intentionally uploaded at the beginning of recruitment, for the purpose of being talked about during recruitment, not a rumor or reputation whispered 'round the corner by PNMs.

Alpha Phi's video was uploaded Aug 7

Other chapter's who 2015 is also currently visible on you tube
Zeta - July 26
Gamma Phi - July 30th - time lapse of house construction (not recruitment but a video with marketing intent)
Chi Omega - Aug 2
Delta Gamma - Aug 4 (it is a video of their winning Greek Sign performance but since the event occurred in March I think it was posted now for marketing purposes)
Pi Phi - Aug 5
AXO - Aug 7
ADPi - Aug 7
Phi Mu - Aug 9
Delta Zeta - Aug 9

That is 10 chapters (8 depending on how you consider Gamma Phi & DG) that I found quickly searching You Tube.

I did not go to Bama, nor have I ever worked with the chapter there.

[SWTXBelle]

[QUOTE=Aphigal;2325416]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I disagree -- this is a recruitment video the chapter intentionally uploaded at the beginning of recruitment, for the purpose of being talked about during recruitment, not a rumor or reputation whispered 'round the corner by PNMs.

Alpha Phi's video was uploaded Aug 7

Other chapter's who 2015 is also currently visible on you tube
Zeta - July 26
Gamma Phi - July 30th - time lapse of house construction (not recruitment but a video with marketing intent)
Chi Omega - Aug 2
Delta Gamma - Aug 4 (it is a video of their winning Greek Sign performance but since the event occurred in March I think it was posted now for marketing purposes)
Pi Phi - Aug 5
AXO - Aug 7
ADPi - Aug 7
Phi Mu - Aug 9
Delta Zeta - Aug 9

That is 10 chapters (8 depending on how you consider Gamma Phi & DG) that I found quickly searching You Tube.

I did not go to Bama, nor have I ever worked with the chapter there.

BOOM

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Aphigal

That is 10 chapters (8 depending on how you consider Gamma Phi & DG) that I found quickly searching You Tube.

I didn't check them all -- but that's no more than 7 since Gamma Phi, DG, and Alpha Chi are of other (actual) events. Now count up the 2014 "recruitment" vids for us, since you are bent on establishing "the campus norm" at Bama.

I don't have a problem with sororities marketing themselves -- there are plenty of vids of events, houses, bid days, etc. I don't care when these are uploaded. But anything approaching what Alpha Phi uploaded for "recruitment" is not the campus norm.

I do have a problem when the marketing intentionally extends and confirms negative stereotypes about sorority women, especially on my campus. We don't need it. No Greek women need it.

[Aphigal]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

..... I do have a problem when the marketing intentionally extends and confirms negative stereotypes about sorority women, especially on my campus.

The only stereotyping is you...of Alpha Phi at Bama.

I realize recruitment season brings out the the ugly but bless your heart you really you are going for it with gusto at Alpha Phi.

Stop being a bully.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I didn't check them all -- but that's no more than 7 since Gamma Phi, DG, and Alpha Chi are of other (actual) events.

I don't have a problem with sororities marketing themselves -- there are plenty of vids of events, houses, bid days, etc. I don't care when these are uploaded. But anything approaching what Alpha Phi uploaded for "recruitment" is not the campus norm.

I do have a problem when the marketing intentionally extends and confirms negative stereotypes about sorority women, especially on my campus.

What EXACTLY are the negative stereotype that you perceive here? Women who are dressed up, wearing makeup and are wearing on-trend clothing and are also wearing bikinis? Or is it the jumping up and down and movement of their breasts?

Here are a few other videos from campuses and other sororities, that have much of the same aspects. Some feature the young women speaking, some don't. But if it is the attire you object to, than you need to think long and hard about your stance... they are joining a sorority, not a nunnery.

Please make sure to turn out the lights when you leave the 1950s:


Zeta Tau Alpha (FSU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GrdAAEbBw8

Delta Gamma (Minnesota)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFvTyotNUk

Delta Delta Delta (Indiana)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2yRah9p1c

[Loyally Kappa]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Or is it the jumping up and down and movement of their breasts?

TIME OUT!!!

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

What EXACTLY are the negative stereotype that you perceive here?

Skinny blonde WASPs preoccupied mostly with looking good who support African Americans on the football team, but not as members in their orgs, for one.

^That one is relevant to this campus.

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Here are a few other videos from campuses and other sororities, that have much of the same aspects.

I just don't consider that much of an explanation or defense -- tu quoque fallacy.