AEPi chapter disaffiliates from National Organization

[naraht]

Due to statements made presumably either during Ritual or in other application material and pledging processes...
1) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Hillel. (Jewish student group)
2) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Pagan Society.
3) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Agnostic Society.
4) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Atheist Society.

(Uncomfortable is up to and including charter revocation for having broken national membership rules)

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

Due to statements made presumably either during Ritual or in other application material and pledging processes...
1) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Hillel. (Jewish student group)
2) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Pagan Society.
3) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Agnostic Society.
4) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Atheist Society.

(Uncomfortable is up to and including charter revocation for having broken national membership rules)

Here's the thing...a lot of NPC groups (including my own) accept women of all backgrounds, but then expect them to participate in recitation of a creed that references the Christian or Judeo-Christian god*. So, I think the answer to your question is something like, "No, as long as they will act Christian at times."

*I'm referencing open creeds here because that's what we can all see, rather than getting into ritual, but we all know the majority of NPC rituals contain scripture.

[33girl]

And as I tried to update my post to say, espousing "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian, i.e. believe Jesus is the Messiah. There are atheists and pagans out there who conduct their lives in a more Christian way than some self professed Christians do.

[curtgesture]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And as I tried to update my post to say, espousing "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian, i.e. believe Jesus is the Messiah. There are atheists and pagans out there who conduct their lives in a more Christian way than some self professed Christians do.

Obviously. But if the chapter is majority Christian...especially one that espouses "Christian values" I'm not surprised there's Christian actions going on. Praying over pledges was one thing you said and you were surprised because sororities do not mention "Christian identity" but my point is that a good number in NPC mention Christian ties openly.

[33girl]

You are completely missing the point.

That's something individual chapters have been said to do, NOT the entire organization. It's the opposite of what people are accusing AEPhi of. Sorry I had to so painstakingly spell that out for you.

And once again, having what are referred to as "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian. None of those "references" you cut and pasted says you have to be Christian to join, and Pi Phi's explicitly states that it's not necessary.

[curtgesture]

Originally Posted by 33girl

You are completely missing the point.

That's something individual chapters have been said to do, NOT the entire organization. It's the opposite of what people are accusing AEPhi of. Sorry I had to so painstakingly spell that out for you.

And once again, having what are referred to as "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian. None of those "references" you cut and pasted says you have to be Christian to join, and Pi Phi's explicitly states that it's not necessary.

I am not. You brought up comparing AEPi to what individual chapters have been said to do.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Considering there have been first hand accounts on GC of chapters praying over PNMs (and no mention of their "Christian identity" anywhere in anything related to them) I'd say more than one group's got issues, if indeed there are issues.

This was my point. A good number of NPCs mention "Christian identity" somewhere.

Being Christian or not for joining was never my point. But a Christian majority chapter can identify with Christian elements and use it as thinking it's okay to do Christian things. It's justification.

I won't reveal my gender or GLO but Christian "things" are in my ritual. I don't want to specify what. I know we are not alone. If those "things" are in rituals and ritual is a backbone of a GLO, it's not surprising that chapters are ok to do "things" that might be "things" like pray to God as a group. If you look at a whole picture that seems normal when considering that they might have similar "things" in the ritual.

You don't have to be Christian to join, but you have to do what ritual asks which can include a Christian oath, Christian creed, Christian principles, and Christian practices.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by curtgesture

I am not. You brought up comparing AEPi to what individual chapters have been said to do.



This was my point. A good number of NPCs mention "Christian identity" somewhere.

Being Christian or not for joining was never my point. But a Christian majority chapter can identify with Christian elements and use it as thinking it's okay to do Christian things. It's justification.

I won't reveal my gender or GLO but Christian "things" are in my ritual. I don't want to specify what. I know we are not alone. If those "things" are in rituals and ritual is a backbone of a GLO, it's not surprising that chapters are ok to do "things" that might be "things" like pray to God as a group. If you look at a whole picture that seems normal when considering that they might have similar "things" in the ritual.

You don't have to be Christian to join, but you have to do what ritual asks which can include a Christian oath, Christian creed, Christian principles, and Christian practices.

I don't know if you're purposely obtuse, but considering you used MY sorority as an example and are in effect saying we're something we're not, it makes me a tad hot under the collar.

I suggest you go look up the word "exemplar." I also suggest you look up the word "identity. " You're going to have to turn pages twice, because they're two different things. Using your logic you could have just as easily said ASA has a Jewish identity since we have a Jewish exemplar. But since you were just cherry picking to find what you wanted, you didn't bother to read that far.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by curtgesture

I won't reveal my gender or GLO . . . .

You might find that your credibility is enhanced and that what you're saying is given some helpful context if you reconsider this.