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Originally Posted by DrPhil
You intimated that no one teaches women to be silent resisters and, even if people don't teach women to be silent resisters, that means that the behavior cannot still be learned. You also intimated that this is about people just laying there silently because it is up to the other person to stop. That isn't necessarily the rationale behind this.
There are many, many, many people who believe and therefore teach women to give in whenever sex is requested of them and to either lay there silently or participate just to get it over with in a less injurous and less time consuming manner. For the women who were not taught this, they can still learn the behavior through interactions with sexual partners who insist on "sliding it in" regardless of the circumstances.
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This is not the message that the vast majority of students matriculating to college have gotten. In fact, just the opposite, starting with curriculum in kindergarden. It's only when they get to college that women are being told they are all victims, or potential victims.
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We've pretty much established that the people involved in this GC discussion don't believe the onus is 100% on men to "not rape".
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I think we've established the opposite. At least some people have strenuously said they don't think women have even the onus to object (verbally or non verbally) to a second pass. Especially not if they are tired. So what "onus" do you think is (or should be) on women, and could you be specific, please.
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