Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Low D Flat

No, I don't agree. School shootings, and especially terrorist attacks, are orders of magnitude rarer than rapes in fraternity houses or by fraternity men.

I'd be willing to bet that most of us on GC are aware of one or more sexual assaults that occurred within the Greek system of our own campuses.

I think that depends on what we're talking about when we talk about rapes and sexual assaults for purposes of the comparison Kevin was drawing. Are we talking about any instance where alcohol abuse by both parties makes consent murkey or meaningless, or where consent is withdrawn? Or are we only talking about those instances where there is a deliberate and conspiratorial intent and plan to rape or assault, such as what has been described at UVA. I think when Kevin made the school shootings and terrorist attacks comparison, he was speaking only of the latter kinds of rapes and assaults, not date rape and the like.

Which is not say one is a problem and one isn't; not at all. But they're not exactly the same problem.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Which is not say one is a problem and one isn't; not at all. But they're not exactly the same problem.

And they would not benefit from the same solution. A predatory rapist isn't going to be amenable to being "taught" not to rape. And thinking that college expulsion is a proper resolution seems insane.

So why are so many activists (and media) using this "it's all the same big problem" approach?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think when Kevin made the school shootings and terrorist attacks comparison, he was speaking only of the latter kinds of rapes and assaults, not date rape and the like.

Which is not say one is a problem and one isn't; not at all. But they're not exactly the same problem.

How, exactly, are you defining date rape? The RS article involved a woman who was raped by a man she knew and was on a date with. That pretty classically meets the definition of "date rape."

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

How, exactly, are you defining date rape? The RS article involved a woman who was raped by a man she knew and was on a date with. That pretty classically meets the definition of "date rape."

How dense can you be? According to the article, she was raped by 7 men. She was NOT on a date with 7 men. This was NOT date rape. It was a horrific gang rape.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by thetalady

How dense can you be? According to the article, she was raped by 7 men. She was NOT on a date with 7 men. This was NOT date rape. It was a horrific gang rape.

Pretty dense. Please educate me on which types of rape rise to the level of "horrific" and which types we don't really have to worry about.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Pretty dense. Please educate me on which types of rape rise to the level of "horrific" and which types we don't really have to worry about.

Where did she say anything about there being types we don't really have to worry about?

[honorgal]

This is the lead example from a in-depth 7 page article on rape at Swarthmore.

Sendrow is a 23-year-old brunette from Princeton, New Jersey. Her mother is from Mexico; her dad is a Jewish guy from the Bronx. She graduated last spring and works in health care in Washington, D.C. If 3,000 smiling Facebook photos are a good barometer, her four years at Swarthmore seem to have passed by untroubled. But in the midwinter of 2013, Sendrow says, she was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months. They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. “I basically said, ‘No, I don’t want to have sex with you.’ And then he said, ‘Okay, that’s fine’ and stopped,” Sendrow told me. “And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.”

Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/ra...ZQp0kvx6mIf.99

Would anyone characterize this as equally horrific to the gang rape described in the RS article? Anyone?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

How, exactly, are you defining date rape? The RS article involved a woman who was raped by a man she knew and was on a date with. That pretty classically meets the definition of "date rape."

I realized after I posted and was away from any computer that I did not phrase my post well. My point was simply that I didn't read Kevin to be drawing an analogy between the frequency of school shootings or terrorist attacks and the frequency of all kinds of rape or sexual assault. I took him to be drawing an analogy with the frequency of rape and sexual assault that is the result of conspiracy between and participation of numerous fraternity members and that is explicitly or implicitly tolerated if not encouraged by the chapter as a whole.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Pretty dense. Please educate me on which types of rape rise to the level of "horrific" and which types we don't really have to worry about.

Please identify one, just one, person on this thread who has suggested that there ever is any kind of rape we don't really need to worry about.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Please identify one, just one, person on this thread who has suggested that there ever is any kind of rape we don't really need to worry about.

Originally Posted by honorgal

This is the lead example from a in-depth 7 page article on rape at Swarthmore.


Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/articles/ra...ZQp0kvx6mIf.99

Would anyone characterize this as equally horrific to the gang rape described in the RS article? Anyone?

It is unclear whether honorgal is ranking rape.